Comments on: Gilgamesh and the Original “Original Sin”: Unsucky English Lecture 9 (part one) http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/26/gilgamesh-and-the-original-original-sin-unsucky-english-lecture-9-part-one/ More learning. Less schooliness. Sun, 07 Mar 2010 01:17:15 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Joel http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/26/gilgamesh-and-the-original-original-sin-unsucky-english-lecture-9-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-8385 Joel Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:49:31 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=2155#comment-8385 Hi Clay Discovered this site today looking for Gilgamesh (link on Wikipedia) and enjoyed immensely your observations on the story. I've been reading it but unlike your dream student did not initially appreciate the depths of symbolism contained within. This has notched-up my already significant interest in the ancient world. I guess I'm commenting in hope that the series continues. Your site reminds me of the brilliant philosophy blog by Todd Park Mohr, which seemed to collapse pretty much as soon as I'd discovered it. Just hoping this one doesn't go the same way. I know you're busy but just thought I'd express my interest. I'll put the ancient wisdon on hold in the meantime and explore the other topics you've posted. I also wondered if you'd considered an audio podcast? Then I could listen in the car which would be sweet. Hi Clay

Discovered this site today looking for Gilgamesh (link on Wikipedia) and enjoyed immensely your observations on the story. I’ve been reading it but unlike your dream student did not initially appreciate the depths of symbolism contained within. This has notched-up my already significant interest in the ancient world.

I guess I’m commenting in hope that the series continues. Your site reminds me of the brilliant philosophy blog by Todd Park Mohr, which seemed to collapse pretty much as soon as I’d discovered it. Just hoping this one doesn’t go the same way. I know you’re busy but just thought I’d express my interest.

I’ll put the ancient wisdon on hold in the meantime and explore the other topics you’ve posted.

I also wondered if you’d considered an audio podcast? Then I could listen in the car which would be sweet.

]]> By: Elizabeth Barrette http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/26/gilgamesh-and-the-original-original-sin-unsucky-english-lecture-9-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-8359 Elizabeth Barrette Tue, 08 Sep 2009 04:09:58 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=2155#comment-8359 This is a wonderful analysis of Gilgamesh, particularly the original sin being Enkidu's abandonment of Nature. Indeed, compare the land then and now: the Fertile Crescent is pretty much all desert today, with no forests left to hold the water table in place. This is a wonderful analysis of Gilgamesh, particularly the original sin being Enkidu’s abandonment of Nature. Indeed, compare the land then and now: the Fertile Crescent is pretty much all desert today, with no forests left to hold the water table in place.

]]> By: Clay Burell http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/26/gilgamesh-and-the-original-original-sin-unsucky-english-lecture-9-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-8357 Clay Burell Sun, 06 Sep 2009 08:18:14 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=2155#comment-8357 Tamara, I'm so sorry to answer this way, but beyond what I've written in the nine posts so far, I don't have time to discuss G right now. I'm in the middle of week 3 of my first year teaching in a new school in a new country, and barely have time to breathe. I will say that symbols are something that are inferred by the reader anyway, so there are no clear-cut right/wrong answers to the types of questions you asked, as much as there are well-argued and -supported versus weakly-argued and -supported answers. Have you talked to your prof or other students in your class? Prayed to Google for insights? Read the book again, and its preface/intro? (Mitchell's intro is longer than his translation. It may help.) Good luck, Clay Tamara, I’m so sorry to answer this way, but beyond what I’ve written in the nine posts so far, I don’t have time to discuss G right now. I’m in the middle of week 3 of my first year teaching in a new school in a new country, and barely have time to breathe.

I will say that symbols are something that are inferred by the reader anyway, so there are no clear-cut right/wrong answers to the types of questions you asked, as much as there are well-argued and -supported versus weakly-argued and -supported answers.

Have you talked to your prof or other students in your class? Prayed to Google for insights? Read the book again, and its preface/intro? (Mitchell’s intro is longer than his translation. It may help.)

Good luck,

Clay

]]> By: Tamara http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/26/gilgamesh-and-the-original-original-sin-unsucky-english-lecture-9-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-8356 Tamara Sat, 05 Sep 2009 22:10:50 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=2155#comment-8356 I am 34 yrs old and in the second year ( nearly third)of college trying to get my teaching degree. My English class is doing essays on Gilgamesh. I am having trouble with some of the answers required in all the symbolism within the epic. Can you help me to understand the symbolism between woman, evil and the relationship of civilization to nature? If you can,..it would help tutor me in something that has long since been studied. I hate to fail and love to learn and am dis-satisfied with myself that something I read nearly 20 years ago has so escaped me. I do not wish to sound incoherent or just plain dumb. Sincere thanks, Tamara I am 34 yrs old and in the second year ( nearly third)of college trying to get my teaching degree.
My English class is doing essays on Gilgamesh.
I am having trouble with some of the answers required in all the symbolism within the epic. Can you help me to understand the symbolism between woman, evil and the relationship of civilization to nature?

If you can,..it would help tutor me in something that has long since been studied. I hate to fail and love to learn and am dis-satisfied with myself that something I read nearly 20 years ago has so escaped me. I do not wish to sound incoherent or just plain dumb.

Sincere thanks,
Tamara

]]> By: Jonathan Chambers http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/26/gilgamesh-and-the-original-original-sin-unsucky-english-lecture-9-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-8338 Jonathan Chambers Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:59:27 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=2155#comment-8338 Clay, I just received my first "Gilgamesh SPAM"... take it as a compliment, or as a dementor/scary monster, or possibly as yet another actor in the polytheistic mythological tradition? Jungian sensibilities (and vast series of Joseph Campbell lectures) aside, I hope you're enjoying Singapore, and that they "get you". .-= Jonathan Chambers´s last blog ..<a href="http://teachers.saschina.org/jchambers/2009/08/27/its-a-goal-2/" rel="nofollow">It’s a goal!</a> =-. Clay, I just received my first “Gilgamesh SPAM”… take it as a compliment, or as a dementor/scary monster, or possibly as yet another actor in the polytheistic mythological tradition?

Jungian sensibilities (and vast series of Joseph Campbell lectures) aside, I hope you’re enjoying Singapore, and that they “get you”.
Jonathan Chambers´s last blog ..It’s a goal! My ComLuv Profile

]]> By: Unsucky English, Lecture 1: On Gilgamesh | Beyond School http://beyond-school.org/2009/06/26/gilgamesh-and-the-original-original-sin-unsucky-english-lecture-9-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-8220 Unsucky English, Lecture 1: On Gilgamesh | Beyond School Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:33:32 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=2155#comment-8220 [...] [This post had major problems in its original draft. I heavily edited it for all you stumblers. Later posts in the "Unsucky Gilgamesh" series: 2: The Day I Thought Gilgamesh Would Cost Me My Job ~ 3: Adam and Eve, Backwards ~ 4. The Seven Deadly Sins, Backwards ~ 5. Good and Evil, Nature and the Hero - Backwards ~ 6. Gilgamesh and the Birth of the New Man ~ 7. A Goddess Prays ~ 8. The Modern Mischief of the Gilgamesh Poets 9. The Original "Original Sin"] [...] [...] [This post had major problems in its original draft. I heavily edited it for all you stumblers. Later posts in the "Unsucky Gilgamesh" series: 2: The Day I Thought Gilgamesh Would Cost Me My Job ~ 3: Adam and Eve, Backwards ~ 4. The Seven Deadly Sins, Backwards ~ 5. Good and Evil, Nature and the Hero - Backwards ~ 6. Gilgamesh and the Birth of the New Man ~ 7. A Goddess Prays ~ 8. The Modern Mischief of the Gilgamesh Poets 9. The Original "Original Sin"] [...]

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