Comments on: Truly Twenty-First C. Literacy (Beyond Buzzwords) http://beyond-school.org/2008/12/25/truly-twentyfirst-c/ More learning. Less schooliness. Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:28:57 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: What is Literacy? « Kopptastic http://beyond-school.org/2008/12/25/truly-twentyfirst-c/comment-page-1/#comment-7500 What is Literacy? « Kopptastic Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:41:59 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=1950#comment-7500 [...] I was prompted to reflect on this question after reading a great entry on Clay Burell’s blog, http://beyond-school.org/2008/12/25/truly-twentyfirst-c/.  Before reading this post, my reaction to educational IT was that we are teaching kids the same [...] [...] I was prompted to reflect on this question after reading a great entry on Clay Burell’s blog, http://beyond-school.org/2008/12/25/truly-twentyfirst-c/.  Before reading this post, my reaction to educational IT was that we are teaching kids the same [...]

]]> By: Chilton Foley-Reynolds -- Blogmeister http://beyond-school.org/2008/12/25/truly-twentyfirst-c/comment-page-1/#comment-7283 Chilton Foley-Reynolds -- Blogmeister Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:45:10 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=1950#comment-7283 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] this article on "21st Century" skills.  When you are finised.  Go to your blog site and post an entry about your thoughts on [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] this article on "21st Century" skills.  When you are finised.  Go to your blog site and post an entry about your thoughts on [...]

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]]> By: Ben Grey http://beyond-school.org/2008/12/25/truly-twentyfirst-c/comment-page-1/#comment-7245 Ben Grey Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:54:55 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=1950#comment-7245 Clay- Thanks again for posting the topic here for others to engage in the discussion. I just wanted to clarify my position a bit. I wrote a more lengthy piece here http://bengrey.com/blog/?p=63 if anyone is interested in a more in-depth explanation of where I'm coming from. I do agree with you regarding the unique and emerging set of skills that have developed due to the web. However, I would maintain the skills you mentioned in your comment are skills rather than literacies. At first blush that may appear an unimportant semantical difference, but I believe it is imperative to distinguish the two. Literacy involves gathering and producing meaning through communication. At its core, that involves the capacity to effectively read, write, speak and listen. If we can develop those four essential components in people, we can greatly increase the opportunity for them to then engage in learning the deeper level, era specific skills such as the ones you mentioned. I won't keep going so as to preserve your comment space, but the reason I am so vehemently advocating for the literacy vs skills distinction is so we can all start working off the same foundation and foster true change in our educational system. Imagine what would happen if we all started working together on this to ensure populations everywhere in the world became truly literate. I think the change we'd witness would be quite astounding. <abbr><em>Ben Greys last blog post..<a href="http://bengrey.com/blog/?p=63" rel="nofollow">21st Century Clarification</a></abbr></em> Clay-

Thanks again for posting the topic here for others to engage in the discussion. I just wanted to clarify my position a bit. I wrote a more lengthy piece here http://bengrey.com/blog/?p=63 if anyone is interested in a more in-depth explanation of where I’m coming from.

I do agree with you regarding the unique and emerging set of skills that have developed due to the web. However, I would maintain the skills you mentioned in your comment are skills rather than literacies. At first blush that may appear an unimportant semantical difference, but I believe it is imperative to distinguish the two.

Literacy involves gathering and producing meaning through communication. At its core, that involves the capacity to effectively read, write, speak and listen. If we can develop those four essential components in people, we can greatly increase the opportunity for them to then engage in learning the deeper level, era specific skills such as the ones you mentioned.

I won’t keep going so as to preserve your comment space, but the reason I am so vehemently advocating for the literacy vs skills distinction is so we can all start working off the same foundation and foster true change in our educational system. Imagine what would happen if we all started working together on this to ensure populations everywhere in the world became truly literate. I think the change we’d witness would be quite astounding.

Ben Greys last blog post..21st Century Clarification

]]> By: Sheri Edwards http://beyond-school.org/2008/12/25/truly-twentyfirst-c/comment-page-1/#comment-7244 Sheri Edwards Sat, 03 Jan 2009 04:57:06 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=1950#comment-7244 Yes, the constructive concept of "persona development" clarifies the idea of public presence -- our "voice"in text, audio, and visual conversation; "DO be - impressive, creative, uniquely you, hard to forget." Excellent, and definitely what I want for my students. I do struggle with the "jerk" who doesn't consider him/herself inappropriate; they are "Popeye" kids ("I yam what I yam, and that's all that I yam"), and this walking on the web with a vivid voice may be just the way to work with them to modify their Popeye persona. Thanks so much, Sheri <abbr><em>Sheri Edwardss last blog post..<a href="http://askwhatelse.wordpress.com/2009/01/01/fine-in-2009/" rel="nofollow">Fine in 2009</a></abbr></em> Yes, the constructive concept of “persona development” clarifies the idea of public presence — our “voice”in text, audio, and visual conversation; “DO be – impressive, creative, uniquely you, hard to forget.”

Excellent, and definitely what I want for my students. I do struggle with the “jerk” who doesn’t consider him/herself inappropriate; they are “Popeye” kids (“I yam what I yam, and that’s all that I yam”), and this walking on the web with a vivid voice may be just the way to work with them to modify their Popeye persona. Thanks so much, Sheri

Sheri Edwardss last blog post..Fine in 2009

]]> By: Scott Schwister http://beyond-school.org/2008/12/25/truly-twentyfirst-c/comment-page-1/#comment-7236 Scott Schwister Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:22:37 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=1950#comment-7236 You gotta wonder how many other Gurdjieff references exist in pop music. Zero? Maybe more...some ripe rhyming possibilities. Gurdjieff couldn't possibly be Rundgren's real god. He'd be too busy doing manual labor to sit down. A friend was in WI for a Gurdjieff group-work weekend last month. Have to ask if he was blaring Rundgren on the car stereo on the trip. Hey, good to hear new things are shaking for you in 2009. New frontiers. <abbr><em>Scott Schwisters last blog post..<a href="http://higheredison.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/laboring-for-invention/" rel="nofollow">laboring for invention</a></abbr></em> You gotta wonder how many other Gurdjieff references exist in pop music. Zero? Maybe more…some ripe rhyming possibilities.

Gurdjieff couldn’t possibly be Rundgren’s real god. He’d be too busy doing manual labor to sit down. A friend was in WI for a Gurdjieff group-work weekend last month. Have to ask if he was blaring Rundgren on the car stereo on the trip.

Hey, good to hear new things are shaking for you in 2009. New frontiers.

Scott Schwisters last blog post..laboring for invention

]]> By: laboring for invention « Higher Edison http://beyond-school.org/2008/12/25/truly-twentyfirst-c/comment-page-1/#comment-7233 laboring for invention « Higher Edison Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:25:31 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=1950#comment-7233 [...] Ben Grey asked some critical questions recently about 21st century literacy. What are we really saying when we toss around that handy phrase in mixed company?  Does it really mean anything? Ben wonders if it’s all really just an exercise in semantics, and worries that too much imprecise talk about skills, new literacies, and proficiencies is muddying the water. He argues that the 21st century skills/literacy concept is an emperor with no clothes, and that behind the label are familiar literacy tenets: reading, writing, speaking, listening, viewing. Is there nothing new under the sun? Ben’s question has spawned some excellent discussion here, here, and here. [...] [...] Ben Grey asked some critical questions recently about 21st century literacy. What are we really saying when we toss around that handy phrase in mixed company?  Does it really mean anything? Ben wonders if it’s all really just an exercise in semantics, and worries that too much imprecise talk about skills, new literacies, and proficiencies is muddying the water. He argues that the 21st century skills/literacy concept is an emperor with no clothes, and that behind the label are familiar literacy tenets: reading, writing, speaking, listening, viewing. Is there nothing new under the sun? Ben’s question has spawned some excellent discussion here, here, and here. [...]

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