Comments on: An Approach to Teacher Merit Pay I Could Live With http://beyond-school.org/2008/12/18/an-approach-to-teacher-merit-pay-i-could-live-with/ More learning. Less schooliness. Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:49:39 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: education - Ann Henderson on Diigo http://beyond-school.org/2008/12/18/an-approach-to-teacher-merit-pay-i-could-live-with/comment-page-1/#comment-7959 education - Ann Henderson on Diigo Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:30:03 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=1938#comment-7959 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] An Approach to Teacher Merit Pay I Could Live With | Beyond School [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> [...] An Approach to Teacher Merit Pay I Could Live With | Beyond School [...]

]]> By: Sean Nash http://beyond-school.org/2008/12/18/an-approach-to-teacher-merit-pay-i-could-live-with/comment-page-1/#comment-7103 Sean Nash Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:51:46 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=1938#comment-7103 Nice post. I have had this one open in a tab for... ever it seems. That is the problem with you, you know? Perhaps you should stop posting things that require so much research and thought. Come on now, what do you think about posting a "cool link of the day" instead? Heh. Sorry. I'm a guy- I guess all compliments in maledom have to come with a poke in the ribs of some sort, right? Right? No? Ok, good. But yes -through all of the reading you so passively implored me to do by posting this- I am thinking I am still well left of this guy. Here's hoping he is capable of being bent away from the business-like approaches to "accountability" we have seen this far in ed. I guess we'll all just have to wait and see on this one. As always- thanks. Sean <abbr><em>Sean Nashs last blog post..<a href="http://nashworld.edublogs.org/2008/12/20/writing-online-what-really-changes/" rel="nofollow">Writing online: what really changes?</a></abbr></em> Nice post. I have had this one open in a tab for… ever it seems. That is the problem with you, you know? Perhaps you should stop posting things that require so much research and thought.

Come on now, what do you think about posting a “cool link of the day” instead?

Heh. Sorry.
I’m a guy- I guess all compliments in maledom have to come with a poke in the ribs of some sort, right? Right? No? Ok, good.

But yes -through all of the reading you so passively implored me to do by posting this- I am thinking I am still well left of this guy. Here’s hoping he is capable of being bent away from the business-like approaches to “accountability” we have seen this far in ed. I guess we’ll all just have to wait and see on this one.

As always- thanks.

Sean

Sean Nashs last blog post..Writing online: what really changes?

]]> By: Sean Nash http://beyond-school.org/2008/12/18/an-approach-to-teacher-merit-pay-i-could-live-with/comment-page-1/#comment-7102 Sean Nash Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:32:48 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=1938#comment-7102 NICE> thanks for that link. Concrete examples of tasty goodness that haven't seen the light of day in the midwest. Excellent. <abbr><em>Sean Nashs last blog post..<a href="http://nashworld.edublogs.org/2008/12/20/writing-online-what-really-changes/" rel="nofollow">Writing online: what really changes?</a></abbr></em> NICE> thanks for that link. Concrete examples of tasty goodness that haven’t seen the light of day in the midwest.

Excellent.

Sean Nashs last blog post..Writing online: what really changes?

]]> By: Sean Nash http://beyond-school.org/2008/12/18/an-approach-to-teacher-merit-pay-i-could-live-with/comment-page-1/#comment-7101 Sean Nash Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:30:23 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=1938#comment-7101 Yes- I like this: "a group evaluation of teachers." I have thought of peer review (including administration) in the past. I kick it around in my head... talk to a few folks... just seems daunting. I live in an area where our state association (MSTA) is far more populous than NEA, and still- and teacher organization would oppose letting the lowly teacher in on such a cluster. I agree fully that the only rational thing that allows me to see tenure as even remotely valuable is the one you mention here. I think we've all heard of the small and poor town that would release teachers prior to year 5 (tenure year) in order to buy another younger, and thus cheaper, teacher. Although overall- I detest tenure and teachers unions. From my (non-administrative) vantage point, their ultimate contribution to the party is protection for criminally-lazy and ineffective teachers. I've just seen it too many times. It is disgusting. If it wasn't the "kid business," it would be easy to put on blinders and just worry about what goes on within my four classroom walls. But hey- this IS the kid business. Sean <abbr><em>Sean Nashs last blog post..<a href="http://nashworld.edublogs.org/2008/12/20/writing-online-what-really-changes/" rel="nofollow">Writing online: what really changes?</a></abbr></em> Yes- I like this: “a group evaluation of teachers.” I have thought of peer review (including administration) in the past. I kick it around in my head… talk to a few folks… just seems daunting. I live in an area where our state association (MSTA) is far more populous than NEA, and still- and teacher organization would oppose letting the lowly teacher in on such a cluster.

I agree fully that the only rational thing that allows me to see tenure as even remotely valuable is the one you mention here. I think we’ve all heard of the small and poor town that would release teachers prior to year 5 (tenure year) in order to buy another younger, and thus cheaper, teacher.

Although overall- I detest tenure and teachers unions. From my (non-administrative) vantage point, their ultimate contribution to the party is protection for criminally-lazy and ineffective teachers. I’ve just seen it too many times. It is disgusting. If it wasn’t the “kid business,” it would be easy to put on blinders and just worry about what goes on within my four classroom walls.

But hey- this IS the kid business.

Sean

Sean Nashs last blog post..Writing online: what really changes?

]]> By: Madelaine Kingsbury http://beyond-school.org/2008/12/18/an-approach-to-teacher-merit-pay-i-could-live-with/comment-page-1/#comment-7071 Madelaine Kingsbury Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:10:59 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=1938#comment-7071 Jason - In Pennsylvania, all students are required to complete a graduation project in order to receive their high school diploma. At my school, in particular, we require a writing portfolio for their graduation project. Students write a 10+ page research paper along with 10 other short 1 page essays. They must receive a passing grade on the project; if you fail the first time your portfolio is scored, you must revise until you receive a passing score. After 11 years of being multiple-choice-tested, my students like the challenge of compiling a research portfolio, although I find it frustrating that this is often the FIRST TIME in all those years that they are writing a research paper. Madelaine, Philadelphia, PA <abbr><em>Madelaine Kingsburys last blog post..<a href="http://tabsmom.blogspot.com/2008/12/from-digerati-life-blog-printer_18.html" rel="nofollow">From The Digerati Life Blog - Printer Giveaway - Yippee! Click right here to enter!</a></abbr></em> Jason – In Pennsylvania, all students are required to complete a graduation project in order to receive their high school diploma. At my school, in particular, we require a writing portfolio for their graduation project. Students write a 10+ page research paper along with 10 other short 1 page essays. They must receive a passing grade on the project; if you fail the first time your portfolio is scored, you must revise until you receive a passing score. After 11 years of being multiple-choice-tested, my students like the challenge of compiling a research portfolio, although I find it frustrating that this is often the FIRST TIME in all those years that they are writing a research paper. Madelaine, Philadelphia, PA

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]]> By: Clay Burell http://beyond-school.org/2008/12/18/an-approach-to-teacher-merit-pay-i-could-live-with/comment-page-1/#comment-7060 Clay Burell Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:08:06 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=1938#comment-7060 Jason, thanks so much for that Obama k-12 Fact Sheet link. I don't know how I missed it. It's required reading, isn't it? It gives me more hope despite the Duncan pick. And you have to suspect that Biden's wife (community college teacher) and Obama's (half-?) sister, teachers both, had a role in explaining the problems of NCLB seen from the trenches. The details of the plan show some type of intimacy with NCLB's failures on the ground. Short version, Jason, a million thanks. Jason, thanks so much for that Obama k-12 Fact Sheet link. I don’t know how I missed it. It’s required reading, isn’t it? It gives me more hope despite the Duncan pick.

And you have to suspect that Biden’s wife (community college teacher) and Obama’s (half-?) sister, teachers both, had a role in explaining the problems of NCLB seen from the trenches. The details of the plan show some type of intimacy with NCLB’s failures on the ground.

Short version, Jason, a million thanks.

]]> By: Clay Burell http://beyond-school.org/2008/12/18/an-approach-to-teacher-merit-pay-i-could-live-with/comment-page-1/#comment-7059 Clay Burell Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:59:13 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=1938#comment-7059 Paul, that's interesting testimony and an interesting link. This is getting interesting the more people share their examples of stuff on the ground. Thanks for that. Paul, that’s interesting testimony and an interesting link. This is getting interesting the more people share their examples of stuff on the ground. Thanks for that.

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