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	<title>Comments on: History, Emotional Objectivity, and &#8220;A Class Divided&#8221;: An Election Day Classroom Fantasy</title>
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		<title>By: Education - Change.org: "Emotional Objectivity" and "A Class Divided": "Simulated Trauma" for Character Education #2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Education - Change.org: "Emotional Objectivity" and "A Class Divided": "Simulated Trauma" for Character Education #2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] of this post is taken from a 2008 post on my older [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Another Free US History Resource to Put Textbooks to Shame: PBS&#8217; &#8220;The Presidents&#8221; &#124; Beyond School</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/11/04/election-day-fantasy/comment-page-1/#comment-6447</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Free US History Resource to Put Textbooks to Shame: PBS&#8217; &#8220;The Presidents&#8221; &#124; Beyond School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] said.  I hope it puts the emotion in history for you as it did for me. It&#8217;s tragic how emotionless schools can make such an intense [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/11/04/election-day-fantasy/comment-page-1/#comment-6440</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morgante, you&#039;ve probably seen the news about the KKK woman, recruited online from Oklahoma to join a Louisiana chapter, being murdered today for trying to back out of her initiation.  And the other news about the New York high school students who, out for some fun &quot;beaner-bashing,&quot; killed an Ecuadorian immigrant  today.

Still some rivers to cross, it seems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morgante, you&#8217;ve probably seen the news about the KKK woman, recruited online from Oklahoma to join a Louisiana chapter, being murdered today for trying to back out of her initiation.  And the other news about the New York high school students who, out for some fun &#8220;beaner-bashing,&#8221; killed an Ecuadorian immigrant  today.</p>
<p>Still some rivers to cross, it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/11/04/election-day-fantasy/comment-page-1/#comment-6439</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shannon,

Reading that teacher saying, &quot;This is school and we do not talk about politics! Now open your notebooks and study for your test&quot; just killed me.

Not talking about politics is itself political. Talk about irrelevance. Sheesh.

I follow the politics of the Texas Board of Education pretty closely, since their decisions affect textbook adoption in most other states. And they&#039;re intensely political, as the stacking of creationists aligned with the Discovery Institute shows. The irony is galling.

Good luck down there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shannon,</p>
<p>Reading that teacher saying, &#8220;This is school and we do not talk about politics! Now open your notebooks and study for your test&#8221; just killed me.</p>
<p>Not talking about politics is itself political. Talk about irrelevance. Sheesh.</p>
<p>I follow the politics of the Texas Board of Education pretty closely, since their decisions affect textbook adoption in most other states. And they&#8217;re intensely political, as the stacking of creationists aligned with the Discovery Institute shows. The irony is galling.</p>
<p>Good luck down there.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/11/04/election-day-fantasy/comment-page-1/#comment-6438</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Charlie,

You make a good point about age-appropriate timing for this lesson. I read somewhere recently - in an article about sex education - that students tend to stop listening to &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; adult advice around the age of 11 or 12. Primary years seem best for reaching students with this lesson. The sense of fairness (child-speak for &quot;justice&quot;) is strongest then, if I recall my child development courses correctly.

Nice to hear from you, Charlie. I loved picturing you with twins (I didn&#039;t know!), watching the video together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Charlie,</p>
<p>You make a good point about age-appropriate timing for this lesson. I read somewhere recently &#8211; in an article about sex education &#8211; that students tend to stop listening to <i>all</i> adult advice around the age of 11 or 12. Primary years seem best for reaching students with this lesson. The sense of fairness (child-speak for &#8220;justice&#8221;) is strongest then, if I recall my child development courses correctly.</p>
<p>Nice to hear from you, Charlie. I loved picturing you with twins (I didn&#8217;t know!), watching the video together.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/11/04/election-day-fantasy/comment-page-1/#comment-6437</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JBT, interesting input from others in this thread about how it can be done today. But it&#039;s mind-boggling that this hasn&#039;t become as routine in schools as, say, &quot;Spirit Week&quot; or other schooly traditions. It really does seem to be such a simple, cheap educational remedy for such a deep social ill. I guess we chalk it up to placing unruffled feathers among the reactionaries as a higher priority than social justice. 

On the bright side, it&#039;s good to see that the lesson seems to live on today, if only in pockets, puddles instead of seas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JBT, interesting input from others in this thread about how it can be done today. But it&#8217;s mind-boggling that this hasn&#8217;t become as routine in schools as, say, &#8220;Spirit Week&#8221; or other schooly traditions. It really does seem to be such a simple, cheap educational remedy for such a deep social ill. I guess we chalk it up to placing unruffled feathers among the reactionaries as a higher priority than social justice. </p>
<p>On the bright side, it&#8217;s good to see that the lesson seems to live on today, if only in pockets, puddles instead of seas.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/11/04/election-day-fantasy/comment-page-1/#comment-6436</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inger, your last remark hits close to my take on why the have&#039;s can live with themselves when so much is at the expense of the have-nots. They don&#039;t &quot;see&quot; them closely enough at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inger, your last remark hits close to my take on why the have&#8217;s can live with themselves when so much is at the expense of the have-nots. They don&#8217;t &#8220;see&#8221; them closely enough at all.</p>
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