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	<title>Comments on: Legacy 8: Stereotyping Soldier-Students (or, &#8220;The Don&#8217;t Ask, Don&#8217;t Tell Classroom&#8221;)</title>
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	<description>More education. Less schooliness.</description>
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		<title>By: Legacy 9: On Traveling Blind (or, &#8220;The Reproductive Life of Stereotypes&#8221;) &#124; Beyond School</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/08/06/soldier-stereotype/comment-page-1/#comment-4913</link>
		<dc:creator>Legacy 9: On Traveling Blind (or, &#8220;The Reproductive Life of Stereotypes&#8221;) &#124; Beyond School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Clip" pieces I wrote that summer in Spain a few years ago. I changed my mind.  I didn't like the Vet piece, but readers seemed to, more than they did the ones I preferred over it (which only the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Clip&#8221; pieces I wrote that summer in Spain a few years ago. I changed my mind.  I didn&#8217;t like the Vet piece, but readers seemed to, more than they did the ones I preferred over it (which only the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Gibbs</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/08/06/soldier-stereotype/comment-page-1/#comment-4878</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Gibbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 14:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Clay, for goodness sake, no need to apologize! That would be like me apologizing for the many many great blog posts I have read here but have not commented on. You are one of my Internet heroes - a lot of ed blogs I read because I feel obliged; yours I read for the sheer pleasure of it! :-)

Laura Gibbss last blog post..&lt;a href="http://bestlatin.blogspot.com/2008/08/round-up-august-8.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Round-Up: August 8&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Clay, for goodness sake, no need to apologize! That would be like me apologizing for the many many great blog posts I have read here but have not commented on. You are one of my Internet heroes - a lot of ed blogs I read because I feel obliged; yours I read for the sheer pleasure of it! <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Laura Gibbss last blog post..<a href="http://bestlatin.blogspot.com/2008/08/round-up-august-8.html" rel="nofollow">Round-Up: August 8</a></p>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/08/06/soldier-stereotype/comment-page-1/#comment-4866</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Laura, Jeez, shoot me for not replying earlier. Life is hairy.

Your story is good testimony, and actually reminded me of @Diane, one of my earliest e-friends, who also replied to this post. If you don't know Diane, you should check her out. She writes from a perspective I sense you'd relate to.

Thanks for the kind words, too. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Laura, Jeez, shoot me for not replying earlier. Life is hairy.</p>
<p>Your story is good testimony, and actually reminded me of @Diane, one of my earliest e-friends, who also replied to this post. If you don&#8217;t know Diane, you should check her out. She writes from a perspective I sense you&#8217;d relate to.</p>
<p>Thanks for the kind words, too. <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/08/06/soldier-stereotype/comment-page-1/#comment-4865</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tracy, Michael's a fine writer with a great, natural voice. I just came across him recently too, thank goodness.

And I'm glad you like the theme. It's nothing close to as dazzling as your blog, but it's at least cleaner than the last mess I was using. (But to be clear - I really like this guy's design. He's a college student from Romania, and one to watch.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tracy, Michael&#8217;s a fine writer with a great, natural voice. I just came across him recently too, thank goodness.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m glad you like the theme. It&#8217;s nothing close to as dazzling as your blog, but it&#8217;s at least cleaner than the last mess I was using. (But to be clear - I really like this guy&#8217;s design. He&#8217;s a college student from Romania, and one to watch.)</p>
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		<title>By: Wrapping Up the &#8220;Web Legacies&#8221;: Reflection and New Directions &#124; Beyond School</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/08/06/soldier-stereotype/comment-page-1/#comment-4857</link>
		<dc:creator>Wrapping Up the &#8220;Web Legacies&#8221;: Reflection and New Directions &#124; Beyond School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Enemy’s Language: The Army Years, part 1 7. Teaching Killing: The Army Years, part 2 8. Stereotyping Soldier-Students: The &#8220;Don&#8217;t Ask, Don&#8217;t Tell&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the Enemy’s Language: The Army Years, part 1 7. Teaching Killing: The Army Years, part 2 8. Stereotyping Soldier-Students: The &#8220;Don&#8217;t Ask, Don&#8217;t Tell&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy Rosen</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/08/06/soldier-stereotype/comment-page-1/#comment-4855</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Clay. Michael's comment is hot as hell. My eyes filled up while reading it. Just felt I had to write that. I'm off to read his blog.
Tracy
ps - I am really liking the new blog design.

Tracy Rosens last blog post..&lt;a href="http://leadingfromtheheart.org/2008/08/07/newdawn/" rel="nofollow"&gt;…a new dawn, a new morning, a new chance… (podcast included)&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Clay. Michael&#8217;s comment is hot as hell. My eyes filled up while reading it. Just felt I had to write that. I&#8217;m off to read his blog.<br />
Tracy<br />
ps - I am really liking the new blog design.</p>
<p>Tracy Rosens last blog post..<a href="http://leadingfromtheheart.org/2008/08/07/newdawn/" rel="nofollow">…a new dawn, a new morning, a new chance… (podcast included)</a></p>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/08/06/soldier-stereotype/comment-page-1/#comment-4852</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, that's one of the best comments I've ever received. I like your father very much. (I also like your blog, and wish I'd had you for a science teacher.)

Thanks for taking the time.

Clay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, that&#8217;s one of the best comments I&#8217;ve ever received. I like your father very much. (I also like your blog, and wish I&#8217;d had you for a science teacher.)</p>
<p>Thanks for taking the time.</p>
<p>Clay</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Doyle</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/08/06/soldier-stereotype/comment-page-1/#comment-4848</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful post, and Tracy's coda may become a mantra in my classroom.

I spent my first few years as a Marine brat; my father was a Captain, he flew off off carriers. He left the USMC with a sad heart as 'Nam intensified--he loved the Marines, he loved to fly, but he could not in good conscience fight in that particular war. A few months before he died, crippled from multiple strokes, he wrote a letter to the POTUS offering to take a mothballed A-4 Skyhawk and fly directly into any worthy target that might harbor Al Quaeda.

Two stories reflecting on the USMC:

My father was by no means a pacifist. After he left, one of his buddies Chuck (the only adult I could call by his first name) came to visit. He flew choppers (and was not so good at it, my father would jest).

Chuck brought my brother and I two toy aircraft carriers, marvelous structures with all kinds of moving parts. I asked Chuck why he kept going back to Viet Nam.

I was too young to know not to ask the question, and Chuck was too kind to tell me so. He treated us like men. My Dad would have whomped me had he heard me ask.

Chuck paused, then seemed to drift away. He told me (and I was about 9 years old) about the ones he left behind. His job was to pick up the wounded (and, I reckon, the dead, but he spared me that much). Under fire. And he felt he had to keep going back to get men who needed picking up.

And one day Chuck stayed back too long, and was KIA.

I miss Chuck.

The second story reflects on the values of the USMC, and one reason my Dad was so proud to wear the uniform. Dad showed up in full uniform in the August, 1963, March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom, led by Dr. King. Organizers saw him, and placed him in the front line of the parade.

My Dad loved the idea that a military man had the right to be a free thinker in a democratic society; indeed, it was his aim to keep that kind of society, which is why he planned to make a career out of it.

"Where else in the world can an inner-city poor boy get a chance to fly a million dollar machine?"

Indeed.

Michael Doyles last blog post..&lt;a href="http://doyle-scienceteach.blogspot.com/2008/08/big-ideas-one-living-filament.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Big Ideas: &#34;One Living Filament&#34;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful post, and Tracy&#8217;s coda may become a mantra in my classroom.</p>
<p>I spent my first few years as a Marine brat; my father was a Captain, he flew off off carriers. He left the USMC with a sad heart as &#8216;Nam intensified&#8211;he loved the Marines, he loved to fly, but he could not in good conscience fight in that particular war. A few months before he died, crippled from multiple strokes, he wrote a letter to the POTUS offering to take a mothballed A-4 Skyhawk and fly directly into any worthy target that might harbor Al Quaeda.</p>
<p>Two stories reflecting on the USMC:</p>
<p>My father was by no means a pacifist. After he left, one of his buddies Chuck (the only adult I could call by his first name) came to visit. He flew choppers (and was not so good at it, my father would jest).</p>
<p>Chuck brought my brother and I two toy aircraft carriers, marvelous structures with all kinds of moving parts. I asked Chuck why he kept going back to Viet Nam.</p>
<p>I was too young to know not to ask the question, and Chuck was too kind to tell me so. He treated us like men. My Dad would have whomped me had he heard me ask.</p>
<p>Chuck paused, then seemed to drift away. He told me (and I was about 9 years old) about the ones he left behind. His job was to pick up the wounded (and, I reckon, the dead, but he spared me that much). Under fire. And he felt he had to keep going back to get men who needed picking up.</p>
<p>And one day Chuck stayed back too long, and was KIA.</p>
<p>I miss Chuck.</p>
<p>The second story reflects on the values of the USMC, and one reason my Dad was so proud to wear the uniform. Dad showed up in full uniform in the August, 1963, March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom, led by Dr. King. Organizers saw him, and placed him in the front line of the parade.</p>
<p>My Dad loved the idea that a military man had the right to be a free thinker in a democratic society; indeed, it was his aim to keep that kind of society, which is why he planned to make a career out of it.</p>
<p>&#8220;Where else in the world can an inner-city poor boy get a chance to fly a million dollar machine?&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed.</p>
<p>Michael Doyles last blog post..<a href="http://doyle-scienceteach.blogspot.com/2008/08/big-ideas-one-living-filament.html" rel="nofollow">Big Ideas: &quot;One Living Filament&quot;</a></p>
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		<title>By: diane</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/08/06/soldier-stereotype/comment-page-1/#comment-4834</link>
		<dc:creator>diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Each year, a few of the young men and women from the small rural school where I teach join the armed forces. For some, it is their only chance at seeing the world and making something of themselves, and they grab it. Most come back to visit, tall and proud in their uniforms.

Both of my parents were WWII veterans; my husband served in the Navy during Viet Nam. As a peace marcher, and later as a mother, I was and am anti-war. But I have never been, never could be, anti-soldier.

dianes last blog post..&lt;a href="http://dmcordell.blogspot.com/2008/08/dancing-queen.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Dancing Queen&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Each year, a few of the young men and women from the small rural school where I teach join the armed forces. For some, it is their only chance at seeing the world and making something of themselves, and they grab it. Most come back to visit, tall and proud in their uniforms.</p>
<p>Both of my parents were WWII veterans; my husband served in the Navy during Viet Nam. As a peace marcher, and later as a mother, I was and am anti-war. But I have never been, never could be, anti-soldier.</p>
<p>dianes last blog post..<a href="http://dmcordell.blogspot.com/2008/08/dancing-queen.html" rel="nofollow">Dancing Queen</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Jose Vilson &#8212; The Cool Kids And Me</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/08/06/soldier-stereotype/comment-page-1/#comment-4833</link>
		<dc:creator>The Jose Vilson &#8212; The Cool Kids And Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Clay Burell, who gives the other side of the soldier student argument; [...]</description>
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