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		<title>By: Cathy</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/22/just-kill-me/#comment-4686</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What alarmed me was the huge gulf between the genders. 

I got 10/12. That put me in the 83rd percentile. But women as a whole were in the 39th percentile. 39!!! Men were 56. What the heck??</description>
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<p>I got 10/12. That put me in the 83rd percentile. But women as a whole were in the 39th percentile. 39!!! Men were 56. What the heck??</p>
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		<title>By: OLDaily ~ by Stephen Downes</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/22/just-kill-me/#comment-4673</link>
		<dc:creator>OLDaily ~ by Stephen Downes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] malaise, though. Felated: Why history isn't learned. Clay Burell, Beyond School, July 24, 2008 [Link] [Tags: United States, Gaming] [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/22/just-kill-me/#comment-4657</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morgante and Ben,  You beat me.  I thought I'd be the first to say that my prime mainstream news source is the Daily Show.  NPR's Wait Wait is my other mainstream source.  Otherwise, I get my news online from all kinds of places.  11/12, but the right answers in multiple choice tests jump out at me--a truly useless skill since I finished school.  I tell my students this all the time.  Ask me the same questions as fill-in-the blank and who knows.

Winawer,  you are right about being grounded on the issues being more necessary than name recall.  Clay's observation that being well-grounded leads to name recall is probably true for most, though certainly not all, people.   I fear that most Americans who can't do the name recognition part wouldn't fare much better on an essay about the issues either. All Kinds of Minds has done some interesting work on specific word recognition and/or recall skills showing that they vary widely from individual to individual.

Clay, My ulterior motive for commenting though is to find out how the wiimote in Korean went.  My one piece of advice is to get some heat-shrinkable insulation for your wires.  I built a few for our school (in English!) and now I'm not sure what to do with them (which I wrote about on my blog, but I'm not trying to generate traffic).  My classroom isn't really all about me or anything I'm "doing" on the board, but the inexpensive nature of the wiimote made me think I needed to revisit my dismissal of interactive whiteboards.  I'll be interested in what you experience.  Just building them was fun.
Sarah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morgante and Ben,  You beat me.  I thought I&#8217;d be the first to say that my prime mainstream news source is the Daily Show.  NPR&#8217;s Wait Wait is my other mainstream source.  Otherwise, I get my news online from all kinds of places.  11/12, but the right answers in multiple choice tests jump out at me&#8211;a truly useless skill since I finished school.  I tell my students this all the time.  Ask me the same questions as fill-in-the blank and who knows.</p>
<p>Winawer,  you are right about being grounded on the issues being more necessary than name recall.  Clay&#8217;s observation that being well-grounded leads to name recall is probably true for most, though certainly not all, people.   I fear that most Americans who can&#8217;t do the name recognition part wouldn&#8217;t fare much better on an essay about the issues either. All Kinds of Minds has done some interesting work on specific word recognition and/or recall skills showing that they vary widely from individual to individual.</p>
<p>Clay, My ulterior motive for commenting though is to find out how the wiimote in Korean went.  My one piece of advice is to get some heat-shrinkable insulation for your wires.  I built a few for our school (in English!) and now I&#8217;m not sure what to do with them (which I wrote about on my blog, but I&#8217;m not trying to generate traffic).  My classroom isn&#8217;t really all about me or anything I&#8217;m &#8220;doing&#8221; on the board, but the inexpensive nature of the wiimote made me think I needed to revisit my dismissal of interactive whiteboards.  I&#8217;ll be interested in what you experience.  Just building them was fun.<br />
Sarah</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/22/just-kill-me/#comment-4656</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Morgante I thought the same thing (McCain knowing what he's saying). Maybe he's slyly trying to suggest if elected he'll take military action on Iran. I'm not sure I'd give him that much credit though. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Morgante I thought the same thing (McCain knowing what he&#8217;s saying). Maybe he&#8217;s slyly trying to suggest if elected he&#8217;ll take military action on Iran. I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d give him that much credit though. <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Morgante Pell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/22/just-kill-me/#comment-4655</link>
		<dc:creator>Morgante Pell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, I'm with you on the Daily Show. It is the only tv "news" program I watch, and I enjoy every minute of it. Of course, I keep up to date throughout the day with feeds.

Maybe McCain *does* know what he is saying. After all, there *is* a situation in Iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, I&#8217;m with you on the Daily Show. It is the only tv &#8220;news&#8221; program I watch, and I enjoy every minute of it. Of course, I keep up to date throughout the day with feeds.</p>
<p>Maybe McCain *does* know what he is saying. After all, there *is* a situation in Iran.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd have to agree that knowing who the Fed Chairman or the number of U.S. military deaths in Iraq isn't vital to understanding the issues. However, I'd have to bet that the Pew quiz makers are banking (har-dee-har) on the fact that if you're familiar with U.S. economic policy you'd come across who the Chairman of the Federal Reserve is a few times, and thus remember (as Clay mentioned).

I did do surprisingly well (12/12, woot) considering I think the only regular news program I catch is the Daily Show with Jon Stewart. By the way Jon Stewart commented on his show about McCain's geography gaffe, citing McCain as beating Obama to the punch at a gaffe during Obama's trip to Iraq.

  "McCain: It’s a very hard struggle, particularly given the situation on the Iraq-Pakistan border.

Stewart: The Iraq-Pakistan border, otherwise known as… IRAN."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have to agree that knowing who the Fed Chairman or the number of U.S. military deaths in Iraq isn&#8217;t vital to understanding the issues. However, I&#8217;d have to bet that the Pew quiz makers are banking (har-dee-har) on the fact that if you&#8217;re familiar with U.S. economic policy you&#8217;d come across who the Chairman of the Federal Reserve is a few times, and thus remember (as Clay mentioned).</p>
<p>I did do surprisingly well (12/12, woot) considering I think the only regular news program I catch is the Daily Show with Jon Stewart. By the way Jon Stewart commented on his show about McCain&#8217;s geography gaffe, citing McCain as beating Obama to the punch at a gaffe during Obama&#8217;s trip to Iraq.</p>
<p>  &#8220;McCain: It’s a very hard struggle, particularly given the situation on the Iraq-Pakistan border.</p>
<p>Stewart: The Iraq-Pakistan border, otherwise known as… IRAN.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/22/just-kill-me/#comment-4644</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Winawer,

Good feedback, and I agree to the criticism of the quiz to a degree, but: since all the names mentioned in the quiz are current power-holders shaping policy on all the big issues, from Iraq to global warming to the economy, on a national level, I want to argue that familiarity with the national policies on most issues should breed familiarity with the policy-makers' names. They're embedded in the news about the policies themselves, and should arguably be incidental learning for anyone who stays informed (via the media) about current affairs.

So "memorizing" the names wouldn't be necessary (I didn't memorize them), since they're part of the territory of staying informed of the issues. Know what I mean?

PS. I read your post about the MN professor and the communion wafer "crisis," and could not believe my eyes. What a country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Winawer,</p>
<p>Good feedback, and I agree to the criticism of the quiz to a degree, but: since all the names mentioned in the quiz are current power-holders shaping policy on all the big issues, from Iraq to global warming to the economy, on a national level, I want to argue that familiarity with the national policies on most issues should breed familiarity with the policy-makers&#8217; names. They&#8217;re embedded in the news about the policies themselves, and should arguably be incidental learning for anyone who stays informed (via the media) about current affairs.</p>
<p>So &#8220;memorizing&#8221; the names wouldn&#8217;t be necessary (I didn&#8217;t memorize them), since they&#8217;re part of the territory of staying informed of the issues. Know what I mean?</p>
<p>PS. I read your post about the MN professor and the communion wafer &#8220;crisis,&#8221; and could not believe my eyes. What a country.</p>
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		<title>By: Winawer</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/22/just-kill-me/#comment-4643</link>
		<dc:creator>Winawer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I got 7 out of 12, but then, I'm Canadian as well.  I second the first comment - it seems like a strange set of questions.  Is this the sort of knowledge that is really critical to interact as a citizen in the United States?  I might suggest that it is more important to be grounded in the basics of the issues that are important (the Iraq War, global warming, etc) and how to actually analyze and construct an argument than memorizing the names of people who are not all that difficult to look up.

Actually, the quiz reminds me of the post that you did the other day on history (which my wife and I had a great time reading - we took the quiz ourselves).  Rephrasing the questions of the Pew quiz in light of that post:  would you rather that people had a grasp of the flow of history and the historical issues that have shaped our world, or would you rather that they memorize the names of every Pope?  (I know that I'm spinning a false dichotomy here, but I still think that if effort is going to be placed in one direction over the other, I would prefer that it go towards the type of understanding you championed in your previous post).  Leave the memorization to the history majors, I say. :-)

Winawers last blog post..&lt;a href="http://mildopinions.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/out-to-the-boonies/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Out to the boonies!&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I got 7 out of 12, but then, I&#8217;m Canadian as well.  I second the first comment - it seems like a strange set of questions.  Is this the sort of knowledge that is really critical to interact as a citizen in the United States?  I might suggest that it is more important to be grounded in the basics of the issues that are important (the Iraq War, global warming, etc) and how to actually analyze and construct an argument than memorizing the names of people who are not all that difficult to look up.</p>
<p>Actually, the quiz reminds me of the post that you did the other day on history (which my wife and I had a great time reading - we took the quiz ourselves).  Rephrasing the questions of the Pew quiz in light of that post:  would you rather that people had a grasp of the flow of history and the historical issues that have shaped our world, or would you rather that they memorize the names of every Pope?  (I know that I&#8217;m spinning a false dichotomy here, but I still think that if effort is going to be placed in one direction over the other, I would prefer that it go towards the type of understanding you championed in your previous post).  Leave the memorization to the history majors, I say. <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Winawers last blog post..<a href="http://mildopinions.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/out-to-the-boonies/" rel="nofollow">Out to the boonies!</a></p>
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		<title>By: C. Tschofen</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/22/just-kill-me/#comment-4640</link>
		<dc:creator>C. Tschofen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For fun, I just read the quiz to my 14-year old while he was eating breakfast. The kicker? The survey at the end assumes that those taking the quiz are 18 and older and that “not finishing high school” is the lowest possible education level for participants. Yes, I get the legal issues and the need to focus the survey (although there are no-brainer tech solutions to this), and ultimately the quiz is a three-minute blip in the noise. 

But what an ironic message: we want kids to be politically aware, but ultimately they “don’t count" (don't even exist!) for a national survey? If we want youth engagement, maybe we need to ask how many other tacit messages like this are floating around... (OK– he got 11/12 as “fill in the blank” answers while chewing his Cheerios, without even being offered the multiple choice options. I was 11/12– different error– with the hints. Parent life– so proud, so humble ☺.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For fun, I just read the quiz to my 14-year old while he was eating breakfast. The kicker? The survey at the end assumes that those taking the quiz are 18 and older and that “not finishing high school” is the lowest possible education level for participants. Yes, I get the legal issues and the need to focus the survey (although there are no-brainer tech solutions to this), and ultimately the quiz is a three-minute blip in the noise. </p>
<p>But what an ironic message: we want kids to be politically aware, but ultimately they “don’t count&#8221; (don&#8217;t even exist!) for a national survey? If we want youth engagement, maybe we need to ask how many other tacit messages like this are floating around&#8230; (OK– he got 11/12 as “fill in the blank” answers while chewing his Cheerios, without even being offered the multiple choice options. I was 11/12– different error– with the hints. Parent life– so proud, so humble ☺.)</p>
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		<title>By: PaulV8</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/22/just-kill-me/#comment-4636</link>
		<dc:creator>PaulV8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The MSWord thingy was part of the McCain ad about learning to use the internet.

I work hard not to discuss religion in my English classroom, but sometimes it comes up (like Jonathan Edwards' sermon "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" which I no longer teach).  I use a powerpoint I borrowed from Dana Huff (at huffenglish.com) about Transcendentalism.  She teaches in a Jewish school and omits a letter when writing G-d.  My students notice it and can't understand why people would do that.  It's a small world after all (a small Baptist world that is).  

Thanks for at least putting it out there.

PaulV8s last blog post..&lt;a href="http://en.blog.wordpress.com/2008/07/04/iphone-updates/" rel="nofollow"&gt;iPhone Updates: Prologue and Mdot&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MSWord thingy was part of the McCain ad about learning to use the internet.</p>
<p>I work hard not to discuss religion in my English classroom, but sometimes it comes up (like Jonathan Edwards&#8217; sermon &#8220;Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God&#8221; which I no longer teach).  I use a powerpoint I borrowed from Dana Huff (at huffenglish.com) about Transcendentalism.  She teaches in a Jewish school and omits a letter when writing G-d.  My students notice it and can&#8217;t understand why people would do that.  It&#8217;s a small world after all (a small Baptist world that is).  </p>
<p>Thanks for at least putting it out there.</p>
<p>PaulV8s last blog post..<a href="http://en.blog.wordpress.com/2008/07/04/iphone-updates/" rel="nofollow">iPhone Updates: Prologue and Mdot</a></p>
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