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		<title>By: Betty Bunhead Blog: Voluntary Meme: My Seven Deadly Sins and Shakespeare</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/17/voluntary-meme-my-deadly-sins-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-6805</link>
		<dc:creator>Betty Bunhead Blog: Voluntary Meme: My Seven Deadly Sins and Shakespeare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Meme: My Seven Deadly Sins and Shakespeare    Clay Burell had this intriguing voluntary meme on his blog today. Since I tend to slide into the &#039;idle hands&#039;/sloth mode in the summer, I thought [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/17/voluntary-meme-my-deadly-sins-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-4565</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Larissa,

Thanks for the fact check for this lazy bum ;-) . 

I followed it, and here&#039;s an intriguing thing (that sort of explains my &quot;If I recall correctly&quot; in the post - something felt off as I wrote that):

The word &quot;hamartia&quot; - loosely taught as &quot;tragic flaw&quot; when teaching drama - is a derivation of the word &quot;hamartano&quot; that you referenced.  It&#039;s translated as &quot;sin&quot; on the Perseus tool you linked to.

The word &quot;sin&quot; is Old English going back to earlier Germanic origins, if I get your OED clip right.

Since the Bible was translated from Hebrew and Aramaic ino Greek for wider readership - (Koine, right? It&#039;s been 20 years since I&#039;ve revisited this cool stuff) - I have to ask:  were the early translators of the Bible into English using a Greek translation, which means they translated &quot;harmartia&quot; into &quot;sin&quot;?

Which means a descriptive word - Greek &quot;harmartia&quot; =&quot;error&quot; - becomes a metaphysically-charged word - &quot;sin&quot; - in the hands of the Renaissance translators into English.  Turning Oedipus from a guy who just got unlucky due to fate&#039;s cold indifference to our moral qualities, and/or his own human personality flaws, into....a damned sinner.

So weird, so fun, to think about all this stuff. Thanks for the assist. Would love some light shed on this one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Larissa,</p>
<p>Thanks for the fact check for this lazy bum <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  . </p>
<p>I followed it, and here&#8217;s an intriguing thing (that sort of explains my &#8220;If I recall correctly&#8221; in the post &#8211; something felt off as I wrote that):</p>
<p>The word &#8220;hamartia&#8221; &#8211; loosely taught as &#8220;tragic flaw&#8221; when teaching drama &#8211; is a derivation of the word &#8220;hamartano&#8221; that you referenced.  It&#8217;s translated as &#8220;sin&#8221; on the Perseus tool you linked to.</p>
<p>The word &#8220;sin&#8221; is Old English going back to earlier Germanic origins, if I get your OED clip right.</p>
<p>Since the Bible was translated from Hebrew and Aramaic ino Greek for wider readership &#8211; (Koine, right? It&#8217;s been 20 years since I&#8217;ve revisited this cool stuff) &#8211; I have to ask:  were the early translators of the Bible into English using a Greek translation, which means they translated &#8220;harmartia&#8221; into &#8220;sin&#8221;?</p>
<p>Which means a descriptive word &#8211; Greek &#8220;harmartia&#8221; =&#8221;error&#8221; &#8211; becomes a metaphysically-charged word &#8211; &#8220;sin&#8221; &#8211; in the hands of the Renaissance translators into English.  Turning Oedipus from a guy who just got unlucky due to fate&#8217;s cold indifference to our moral qualities, and/or his own human personality flaws, into&#8230;.a damned sinner.</p>
<p>So weird, so fun, to think about all this stuff. Thanks for the assist. Would love some light shed on this one!</p>
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		<title>By: Larissa Parson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larissa Parson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Clay, I checked that etymology for ya (as a former Hellenist I feel compelled to check out what folks attribute to the Greeks...).  

According to the OEd, at least: [OE. syn(n, for original *sunj{omac}, related to continental forms with extended stem, viz. OFris. sende, MDu. sonde (Du. zonde), OS. sundea, sundia, OHG. sunt(e)a, sund(e)a (G. sünde), ON. syn{edh}, synd (Icel., Norw., Sw., Da. synd). The stem may be related to that of L. sons, sont-is guilty. In OE. there are examples of the original general sense, ‘offence, wrong-doing, misdeed’.] 

BTW, the Greek for &quot;missing the mark&quot; (and by extension failing at something, making an error of judgment, etc.) is (in transliteration) hamartano^ (here&#039;s a fuller definition: http://tinyurl.com/5f32pw).  The idea of sin in the sense you suggest may be from the Greeks.  But the word itself isn&#039;t. :)

Larissa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Clay, I checked that etymology for ya (as a former Hellenist I feel compelled to check out what folks attribute to the Greeks&#8230;).  </p>
<p>According to the OEd, at least: [OE. syn(n, for original *sunj{omac}, related to continental forms with extended stem, viz. OFris. sende, MDu. sonde (Du. zonde), OS. sundea, sundia, OHG. sunt(e)a, sund(e)a (G. sünde), ON. syn{edh}, synd (Icel., Norw., Sw., Da. synd). The stem may be related to that of L. sons, sont-is guilty. In OE. there are examples of the original general sense, ‘offence, wrong-doing, misdeed’.] </p>
<p>BTW, the Greek for &#8220;missing the mark&#8221; (and by extension failing at something, making an error of judgment, etc.) is (in transliteration) hamartano^ (here&#8217;s a fuller definition: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5f32pw)" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5f32pw)</a>.  The idea of sin in the sense you suggest may be from the Greeks.  But the word itself isn&#8217;t. <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Larissa</p>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/17/voluntary-meme-my-deadly-sins-revealed/comment-page-1/#comment-4556</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, when I took it, I was told I had a chance to change my ways to avoid hell.  

But my wife just took it, and it told her that her &quot;fate is sealed&quot; - and then explained that her sloth, gluttony, and greed are what had damned her to eternal hell.

She says, &quot;Just because you don&#039;t like to exercise doesn&#039;t mean you&#039;re slothful; wanting a nicer house doesn&#039;t make you mortally greedy; and okay, I like good food!  I was honest. So honest people go to hell? That&#039;s not fair.&quot;

It&#039;s just a silly game, but I like her points. (She does need to start exercising, though ;-)  )

&quot;Hmmm. I know, I know.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, when I took it, I was told I had a chance to change my ways to avoid hell.  </p>
<p>But my wife just took it, and it told her that her &#8220;fate is sealed&#8221; &#8211; and then explained that her sloth, gluttony, and greed are what had damned her to eternal hell.</p>
<p>She says, &#8220;Just because you don&#8217;t like to exercise doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;re slothful; wanting a nicer house doesn&#8217;t make you mortally greedy; and okay, I like good food!  I was honest. So honest people go to hell? That&#8217;s not fair.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a silly game, but I like her points. (She does need to start exercising, though <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   )</p>
<p>&#8220;Hmmm. I know, I know.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie A. Roy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie A. Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Clay
I&#039;m surprised to see sloth up there.  With you being such a prolific writer and so active on blogs i would have ruled that one out.

Charlie A. Roys last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://soulycatholichs.blogspot.com/2008/06/finding-balance.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Finding Balance&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Clay<br />
I&#8217;m surprised to see sloth up there.  With you being such a prolific writer and so active on blogs i would have ruled that one out.</p>
<p>Charlie A. Roys last blog post..<a href="http://soulycatholichs.blogspot.com/2008/06/finding-balance.html" rel="nofollow">Finding Balance</a></p>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Arthus:

Thanks for the heads-up. I dinked around and discovered you can open links from Apture popups by clicking on the top title of the popup. Not the most intuitive thing in the world, so I&#039;ll contact Apture and pass it along. Should be clearer, you&#039;re right.

I can&#039;t bring myself to disable Apture yet, b/c I love its potential. Let&#039;s hope they fix that wrinkle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Arthus:</p>
<p>Thanks for the heads-up. I dinked around and discovered you can open links from Apture popups by clicking on the top title of the popup. Not the most intuitive thing in the world, so I&#8217;ll contact Apture and pass it along. Should be clearer, you&#8217;re right.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t bring myself to disable Apture yet, b/c I love its potential. Let&#8217;s hope they fix that wrinkle.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthus Erea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthus Erea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Clay: hehe. :)

On another note, apture is really starting to annoy me. I can&#039;t open links! :(

Even my usual command+click (to open in new tab) doesn&#039;t work.

Arthus Ereas last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/myflaws/~3/336542794/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;McCain is an “illiterate”&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Clay: hehe. <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>On another note, apture is really starting to annoy me. I can&#8217;t open links! <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Even my usual command+click (to open in new tab) doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>Arthus Ereas last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/myflaws/~3/336542794/" rel="nofollow">McCain is an “illiterate”</a></p>
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