<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Voluntary Meme: My Deadly &#8220;Sins&#8221; Revealed</title>
	<atom:link href="http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/17/voluntary-meme-my-deadly-sins-revealed/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/17/voluntary-meme-my-deadly-sins-revealed/</link>
	<description>A field headquarters in the War on Schooliness.</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5</generator>
		<item>
		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/17/voluntary-meme-my-deadly-sins-revealed/#comment-4565</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://beyond-school.org/?p=748#comment-4565</guid>
		<description>@Larissa,

Thanks for the fact check for this lazy bum ;-) . 

I followed it, and here's an intriguing thing (that sort of explains my "If I recall correctly" in the post - something felt off as I wrote that):

The word "hamartia" - loosely taught as "tragic flaw" when teaching drama - is a derivation of the word "hamartano" that you referenced.  It's translated as "sin" on the Perseus tool you linked to.

The word "sin" is Old English going back to earlier Germanic origins, if I get your OED clip right.

Since the Bible was translated from Hebrew and Aramaic ino Greek for wider readership - (Koine, right? It's been 20 years since I've revisited this cool stuff) - I have to ask:  were the early translators of the Bible into English using a Greek translation, which means they translated "harmartia" into "sin"?

Which means a descriptive word - Greek "harmartia" ="error" - becomes a metaphysically-charged word - "sin" - in the hands of the Renaissance translators into English.  Turning Oedipus from a guy who just got unlucky due to fate's cold indifference to our moral qualities, and/or his own human personality flaws, into....a damned sinner.

So weird, so fun, to think about all this stuff. Thanks for the assist. Would love some light shed on this one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Larissa,</p>
<p>Thanks for the fact check for this lazy bum <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . </p>
<p>I followed it, and here&#8217;s an intriguing thing (that sort of explains my &#8220;If I recall correctly&#8221; in the post - something felt off as I wrote that):</p>
<p>The word &#8220;hamartia&#8221; - loosely taught as &#8220;tragic flaw&#8221; when teaching drama - is a derivation of the word &#8220;hamartano&#8221; that you referenced.  It&#8217;s translated as &#8220;sin&#8221; on the Perseus tool you linked to.</p>
<p>The word &#8220;sin&#8221; is Old English going back to earlier Germanic origins, if I get your OED clip right.</p>
<p>Since the Bible was translated from Hebrew and Aramaic ino Greek for wider readership - (Koine, right? It&#8217;s been 20 years since I&#8217;ve revisited this cool stuff) - I have to ask:  were the early translators of the Bible into English using a Greek translation, which means they translated &#8220;harmartia&#8221; into &#8220;sin&#8221;?</p>
<p>Which means a descriptive word - Greek &#8220;harmartia&#8221; =&#8221;error&#8221; - becomes a metaphysically-charged word - &#8220;sin&#8221; - in the hands of the Renaissance translators into English.  Turning Oedipus from a guy who just got unlucky due to fate&#8217;s cold indifference to our moral qualities, and/or his own human personality flaws, into&#8230;.a damned sinner.</p>
<p>So weird, so fun, to think about all this stuff. Thanks for the assist. Would love some light shed on this one!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Larissa Parson</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/17/voluntary-meme-my-deadly-sins-revealed/#comment-4563</link>
		<dc:creator>Larissa Parson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 17:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://beyond-school.org/?p=748#comment-4563</guid>
		<description>Hey Clay, I checked that etymology for ya (as a former Hellenist I feel compelled to check out what folks attribute to the Greeks...).  

According to the OEd, at least: [OE. syn(n, for original *sunj{omac}, related to continental forms with extended stem, viz. OFris. sende, MDu. sonde (Du. zonde), OS. sundea, sundia, OHG. sunt(e)a, sund(e)a (G. sünde), ON. syn{edh}, synd (Icel., Norw., Sw., Da. synd). The stem may be related to that of L. sons, sont-is guilty. In OE. there are examples of the original general sense, ‘offence, wrong-doing, misdeed’.] 

BTW, the Greek for "missing the mark" (and by extension failing at something, making an error of judgment, etc.) is (in transliteration) hamartano^ (here's a fuller definition: http://tinyurl.com/5f32pw).  The idea of sin in the sense you suggest may be from the Greeks.  But the word itself isn't. :)

Larissa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Clay, I checked that etymology for ya (as a former Hellenist I feel compelled to check out what folks attribute to the Greeks&#8230;).  </p>
<p>According to the OEd, at least: [OE. syn(n, for original *sunj{omac}, related to continental forms with extended stem, viz. OFris. sende, MDu. sonde (Du. zonde), OS. sundea, sundia, OHG. sunt(e)a, sund(e)a (G. sünde), ON. syn{edh}, synd (Icel., Norw., Sw., Da. synd). The stem may be related to that of L. sons, sont-is guilty. In OE. there are examples of the original general sense, ‘offence, wrong-doing, misdeed’.] </p>
<p>BTW, the Greek for &#8220;missing the mark&#8221; (and by extension failing at something, making an error of judgment, etc.) is (in transliteration) hamartano^ (here&#8217;s a fuller definition: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5f32pw" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5f32pw</a>).  The idea of sin in the sense you suggest may be from the Greeks.  But the word itself isn&#8217;t. <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Larissa</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/17/voluntary-meme-my-deadly-sins-revealed/#comment-4556</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://beyond-school.org/?p=748#comment-4556</guid>
		<description>Wow, when I took it, I was told I had a chance to change my ways to avoid hell.  

But my wife just took it, and it told her that her "fate is sealed" - and then explained that her sloth, gluttony, and greed are what had damned her to eternal hell.

She says, "Just because you don't like to exercise doesn't mean you're slothful; wanting a nicer house doesn't make you mortally greedy; and okay, I like good food!  I was honest. So honest people go to hell? That's not fair."

It's just a silly game, but I like her points. (She does need to start exercising, though ;-)  )

"Hmmm. I know, I know."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, when I took it, I was told I had a chance to change my ways to avoid hell.  </p>
<p>But my wife just took it, and it told her that her &#8220;fate is sealed&#8221; - and then explained that her sloth, gluttony, and greed are what had damned her to eternal hell.</p>
<p>She says, &#8220;Just because you don&#8217;t like to exercise doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;re slothful; wanting a nicer house doesn&#8217;t make you mortally greedy; and okay, I like good food!  I was honest. So honest people go to hell? That&#8217;s not fair.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a silly game, but I like her points. (She does need to start exercising, though <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
<p>&#8220;Hmmm. I know, I know.&#8221;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Charlie A. Roy</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/17/voluntary-meme-my-deadly-sins-revealed/#comment-4554</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie A. Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://beyond-school.org/?p=748#comment-4554</guid>
		<description>@ Clay
I'm surprised to see sloth up there.  With you being such a prolific writer and so active on blogs i would have ruled that one out.

Charlie A. Roys last blog post..&lt;a href="http://soulycatholichs.blogspot.com/2008/06/finding-balance.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Finding Balance&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Clay<br />
I&#8217;m surprised to see sloth up there.  With you being such a prolific writer and so active on blogs i would have ruled that one out.</p>
<p>Charlie A. Roys last blog post..<a href="http://soulycatholichs.blogspot.com/2008/06/finding-balance.html" rel="nofollow">Finding Balance</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/17/voluntary-meme-my-deadly-sins-revealed/#comment-4553</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://beyond-school.org/?p=748#comment-4553</guid>
		<description>@Arthus:

Thanks for the heads-up. I dinked around and discovered you can open links from Apture popups by clicking on the top title of the popup. Not the most intuitive thing in the world, so I'll contact Apture and pass it along. Should be clearer, you're right.

I can't bring myself to disable Apture yet, b/c I love its potential. Let's hope they fix that wrinkle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Arthus:</p>
<p>Thanks for the heads-up. I dinked around and discovered you can open links from Apture popups by clicking on the top title of the popup. Not the most intuitive thing in the world, so I&#8217;ll contact Apture and pass it along. Should be clearer, you&#8217;re right.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t bring myself to disable Apture yet, b/c I love its potential. Let&#8217;s hope they fix that wrinkle.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Arthus Erea</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/17/voluntary-meme-my-deadly-sins-revealed/#comment-4552</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthus Erea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://beyond-school.org/?p=748#comment-4552</guid>
		<description>@Clay: hehe. :)

On another note, apture is really starting to annoy me. I can't open links! :(

Even my usual command+click (to open in new tab) doesn't work.

Arthus Ereas last blog post..&lt;a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/myflaws/~3/336542794/" rel="nofollow"&gt;McCain is an “illiterate”&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Clay: hehe. <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>On another note, apture is really starting to annoy me. I can&#8217;t open links! <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Even my usual command+click (to open in new tab) doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>Arthus Ereas last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/myflaws/~3/336542794/" rel="nofollow">McCain is an “illiterate”</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/17/voluntary-meme-my-deadly-sins-revealed/#comment-4551</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://beyond-school.org/?p=748#comment-4551</guid>
		<description>@Winawer, I hope those appreciative of a good laugh check out &lt;a href="http://mildopinions.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/my-seven-deadly-sins/" rel="nofollow"&gt;your own sins post&lt;/a&gt;, as the closing line is a classic :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Winawer, I hope those appreciative of a good laugh check out <a href="http://mildopinions.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/my-seven-deadly-sins/" rel="nofollow">your own sins post</a>, as the closing line is a classic <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: My Seven Deadly Sins&#8230; &#171; Mild Opinons</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/17/voluntary-meme-my-deadly-sins-revealed/#comment-4550</link>
		<dc:creator>My Seven Deadly Sins&#8230; &#171; Mild Opinons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://beyond-school.org/?p=748#comment-4550</guid>
		<description>[...] Seven Deadly&#160;Sins&#8230;  Following the advice of Clay Burell at the Beyond School blog, I took the Seven Deadly Sins quiz to see how my immortal soul is faring.  Here&#8217;s the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Seven Deadly&nbsp;Sins&#8230;  Following the advice of Clay Burell at the Beyond School blog, I took the Seven Deadly Sins quiz to see how my immortal soul is faring.  Here&#8217;s the [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Winawer</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/17/voluntary-meme-my-deadly-sins-revealed/#comment-4548</link>
		<dc:creator>Winawer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://beyond-school.org/?p=748#comment-4548</guid>
		<description>You know, you're *never* going to get anywhere with greed and envy scores that low.  Think of the Jonses!  How will you emulate them without greed and envy to spur you!?  For shame... :-)

Winawers last blog post..&lt;a href="http://mildopinions.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/steven-page-arrested/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Steven Page arrested.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, you&#8217;re *never* going to get anywhere with greed and envy scores that low.  Think of the Jonses!  How will you emulate them without greed and envy to spur you!?  For shame&#8230; <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Winawers last blog post..<a href="http://mildopinions.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/steven-page-arrested/" rel="nofollow">Steven Page arrested.</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/17/voluntary-meme-my-deadly-sins-revealed/#comment-4545</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://beyond-school.org/?p=748#comment-4545</guid>
		<description>@Arthus: An impeccable use of rhetorical understatement. Love it :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Arthus: An impeccable use of rhetorical understatement. Love it <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

<!-- Dynamic Page Served (once) in 1.236 seconds -->
