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		<title>By: Adrienne</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/07/grading-gone-awry/#comment-4428</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrienne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Charlie
Thanks for the positive feedback.  The issue of classroom size is one that is related to assessment, but to my mind, as I said earlier, it's a no-brainer.  Class sizes just need to be smaller, period.  And yes, while it is virtually impossible to provide meaningful formative assessments with a teaching load of 140+, I do think it IS possible to train one's students to be effective self- and peer-assessors.  While I would not advocate use of peer- and self-assessment exclusively, I maintain that it is certainly possible to use it creatively enough to lighten the assessment load overall.  And, if a teacher is using criterion-based assessment ALL the time, this means the actual act of marking is easier for whomever is doing it, be it the student, the peer, or the teacher, because the assessor is matching work with a descriptor and providing reflective feedback related to those descriptors.

I guess what I'm trying to say (in a very diplomatic way) is that sometimes I wish teachers would stop complaining about "the unthinkable acts of grading" and instead think MORE and be CREATIVE about how they can assess in ways that are more meaningful.  I'm not implying that teachers are bad teachers for grading the way they know how to presently, but if one is genuinely concerned about how assessment can inform meaningful learning and instruction, then one will find the best tools for the job, even if that means &lt;b&gt;completely&lt;/b&gt; re-inventing the wheel. We are always advocates of teaching critical thinking  to our students, but are all teachers as critical of their own ways of doing things?  Especially with something as important as assessment, which is so necessary and important.  It does &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; have to be a big, ugly, nasty evil of education.

And you are right -- I mentioned this in my post -- you, as an administrator might love to shrink class sizes to 16 or under, but the board probably won't let you.  My Assistant Principal said the same thing to me last fall when I suggested that the 2008-09 timetable be re-jigged so that we had more EAL support in every class, rather than in one "streamed" class.  His response: "We just couldn't justify that human resource expense to the board. There is no point in hiring 5 more teachers when if we just change the timetable, one teacher can do the same job as those 5."  Sadly, the meaningful learning of 100+ students does not "justify the human resource expense."  

So, until those in financial control are willing to think more creatively about funding so that class sizes can decrease -- or maybe there will be no classes in the future? -- we as educators need to think and act more creatively about how we use our time with students to instruct, assess, and report in ways that are as meaningful as possible.

Adriennes last blog post..&lt;a href="http://msmichetti.edublogs.org/2008/06/10/google-teacher-no-go/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Google Teacher No-Go&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Charlie<br />
Thanks for the positive feedback.  The issue of classroom size is one that is related to assessment, but to my mind, as I said earlier, it&#8217;s a no-brainer.  Class sizes just need to be smaller, period.  And yes, while it is virtually impossible to provide meaningful formative assessments with a teaching load of 140+, I do think it IS possible to train one&#8217;s students to be effective self- and peer-assessors.  While I would not advocate use of peer- and self-assessment exclusively, I maintain that it is certainly possible to use it creatively enough to lighten the assessment load overall.  And, if a teacher is using criterion-based assessment ALL the time, this means the actual act of marking is easier for whomever is doing it, be it the student, the peer, or the teacher, because the assessor is matching work with a descriptor and providing reflective feedback related to those descriptors.</p>
<p>I guess what I&#8217;m trying to say (in a very diplomatic way) is that sometimes I wish teachers would stop complaining about &#8220;the unthinkable acts of grading&#8221; and instead think MORE and be CREATIVE about how they can assess in ways that are more meaningful.  I&#8217;m not implying that teachers are bad teachers for grading the way they know how to presently, but if one is genuinely concerned about how assessment can inform meaningful learning and instruction, then one will find the best tools for the job, even if that means <b>completely</b> re-inventing the wheel. We are always advocates of teaching critical thinking  to our students, but are all teachers as critical of their own ways of doing things?  Especially with something as important as assessment, which is so necessary and important.  It does <b>not</b> have to be a big, ugly, nasty evil of education.</p>
<p>And you are right &#8212; I mentioned this in my post &#8212; you, as an administrator might love to shrink class sizes to 16 or under, but the board probably won&#8217;t let you.  My Assistant Principal said the same thing to me last fall when I suggested that the 2008-09 timetable be re-jigged so that we had more EAL support in every class, rather than in one &#8220;streamed&#8221; class.  His response: &#8220;We just couldn&#8217;t justify that human resource expense to the board. There is no point in hiring 5 more teachers when if we just change the timetable, one teacher can do the same job as those 5.&#8221;  Sadly, the meaningful learning of 100+ students does not &#8220;justify the human resource expense.&#8221;  </p>
<p>So, until those in financial control are willing to think more creatively about funding so that class sizes can decrease &#8212; or maybe there will be no classes in the future? &#8212; we as educators need to think and act more creatively about how we use our time with students to instruct, assess, and report in ways that are as meaningful as possible.</p>
<p>Adriennes last blog post..<a href="http://msmichetti.edublogs.org/2008/06/10/google-teacher-no-go/" rel="nofollow">Google Teacher No-Go</a></p>
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		<title>By: Charlie A. Roy</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/07/grading-gone-awry/#comment-4420</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie A. Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Adrienne
Nice post.  Well thought out.  I like your take on assessments and the meaningful value they bring but the question still comes back to classroom size then.   It is virtually impossible for a teacher to provide meaningful formative assessments with a teaching load of 140 plus as my school has.   

I'm the administrator but unfortunately I don't think i could pull of 16 or under without doubling the tuition.  Personally I'd like to but the board would most likely have my head.  

So if smaller classrooms are the key to unlocking the power of formative narrative assessment how do we pull that off?  I'm not saying it can't be done.  If our culture (America) valued education as much as say NASCAR funding probably wouldn't be an issue.  All these posts make me want to start my own school someday.  

@Clay
I think we both watched what will go down in history as the greatest moment of all time.  As someone of Swiss ancestry I was sad to see Federer fall after such a great fight.  My hat off to Nadal- a young man with so much poise.    Congrats on the new apartment.  Looks like a great view.

Charlie A. Roys last blog post..&lt;a href="http://soulycatholichs.blogspot.com/2008/06/finding-balance.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Finding Balance&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adrienne<br />
Nice post.  Well thought out.  I like your take on assessments and the meaningful value they bring but the question still comes back to classroom size then.   It is virtually impossible for a teacher to provide meaningful formative assessments with a teaching load of 140 plus as my school has.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;m the administrator but unfortunately I don&#8217;t think i could pull of 16 or under without doubling the tuition.  Personally I&#8217;d like to but the board would most likely have my head.  </p>
<p>So if smaller classrooms are the key to unlocking the power of formative narrative assessment how do we pull that off?  I&#8217;m not saying it can&#8217;t be done.  If our culture (America) valued education as much as say NASCAR funding probably wouldn&#8217;t be an issue.  All these posts make me want to start my own school someday.  </p>
<p>@Clay<br />
I think we both watched what will go down in history as the greatest moment of all time.  As someone of Swiss ancestry I was sad to see Federer fall after such a great fight.  My hat off to Nadal- a young man with so much poise.    Congrats on the new apartment.  Looks like a great view.</p>
<p>Charlie A. Roys last blog post..<a href="http://soulycatholichs.blogspot.com/2008/06/finding-balance.html" rel="nofollow">Finding Balance</a></p>
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		<title>By: Adrienne</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/07/grading-gone-awry/#comment-4413</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrienne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paul - I realized that my reply to you was ambiguous.  *ALL* IB Diploma exams, including the essay-based ones, are assessed with criteria descriptors.  Most IB Diploma exams are open-ended, requiring critical thinking rather than remembering information and knowledge.  There are some exceptions (History and Biology come to mind) but this is the general status.  And admittedly, I'm not familiar with all the subject areas at the IB DP level.</description>
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		<title>By: Adrienne</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/07/grading-gone-awry/#comment-4412</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrienne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 15:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Anand - perhaps students might start referring to levels of development as numbers but I'm not certain about that.  My guess is that the adults in their lives (teachers and parents) would be the first to do that, and not themselves.

I don't think that there is anything inherently wrong with numbers, but they do attach certain connotations to growth and assessment that I am uncomfortable with, and I sense that others are too.  I'm not saying "let's get rid of numbers altogether."  What I am saying is let's be creative and thoughtful about how we use them, and maybe we don't need to use them very much at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anand - perhaps students might start referring to levels of development as numbers but I&#8217;m not certain about that.  My guess is that the adults in their lives (teachers and parents) would be the first to do that, and not themselves.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that there is anything inherently wrong with numbers, but they do attach certain connotations to growth and assessment that I am uncomfortable with, and I sense that others are too.  I&#8217;m not saying &#8220;let&#8217;s get rid of numbers altogether.&#8221;  What I am saying is let&#8217;s be creative and thoughtful about how we use them, and maybe we don&#8217;t need to use them very much at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Anand Thakker</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/07/grading-gone-awry/#comment-4409</link>
		<dc:creator>Anand Thakker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Adrienne - I disagree that the flower imagery can remove the numbers all together.  Even when you described it, you talked about "levels".  I wouldn't even be surprised if students saw the flowers and started referring to them as numbers on their own!  ("What'd you get?"  "A two.")

There's nothing inherently  *wrong* with numbers (says the math teacher...heh).  The problem seems to be (a) when numbers are the only form of "reporting", and (b) when the numbers are assumed to represent some kind of objective measure of talent, rather than a developmental stage of growth.

Anand Thakkers last blog post..&lt;a href="http://thakker.tumblr.com/post/41358643" rel="nofollow"&gt;what the internet is doing to our brains&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adrienne - I disagree that the flower imagery can remove the numbers all together.  Even when you described it, you talked about &#8220;levels&#8221;.  I wouldn&#8217;t even be surprised if students saw the flowers and started referring to them as numbers on their own!  (&#8221;What&#8217;d you get?&#8221;  &#8220;A two.&#8221;)</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing inherently  *wrong* with numbers (says the math teacher&#8230;heh).  The problem seems to be (a) when numbers are the only form of &#8220;reporting&#8221;, and (b) when the numbers are assumed to represent some kind of objective measure of talent, rather than a developmental stage of growth.</p>
<p>Anand Thakkers last blog post..<a href="http://thakker.tumblr.com/post/41358643" rel="nofollow">what the internet is doing to our brains</a></p>
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		<title>By: Adrienne</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/07/grading-gone-awry/#comment-4395</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrienne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, everyone, for the feedback.  A few quick replies - I've got guests this week and I'm short on time.

@Anand -  the flower imagery &lt;b&gt;can&lt;/b&gt; remove the numbers altogether so that we don't have to resort to the 1-4 scale that you mention.  And yes, I am very familiar with the difference between formative and summative assessment, as are my students.  However, what I question is why we must use NUMBERS for the summative assessment.  Why can't the flower image work for different skill sets and be reported thus, with support from a narrative?

@Jim - perhaps we need to re-train parents to understand that learning can happen without the numbers.  The narratives you describe probably hold much more information about what learning is going on in with your students than any letter grade or percentage.

@Jenny - I find it interesting that you think of Grading and Assessment as two different things.  If you had to define Grading, what would your definition be?  I guess a big part of my philosophy has a hole in it because perhaps I really don't understand the concept of Grading. 

@lhagen -- You said "I just don’t know how to circumvent the system that dictates policies that bring relevant assessment practices to a crashing halt." I completely understand how you feel.  And it sounds like you are tied to more grading policies than I have ever been in my 10 years as a teacher, so you have made me feel very fortunate and thankful.  I don't profess to have all the answers, but I wonder if you couldn't just leave the grade for the reports and nothing else.  What I mean is, use the grade as the way you need to use it, but make all of your feedback to students and parents &lt;b&gt;outside&lt;/b&gt; of reports of the narrative or symbolic type.  I can't remember where I read about this -- I think it was in that Alfie Kohn article that Clay referenced -- where he suggested doing something of this nature.  That way, your feedback to students is always and only about their learning, and their understanding of assessment is also only for their learning.  But the grading, which you have a hard time getting around, is for the parents and so for those purposes, you just fill in the boxes and get it over with.  I'm not suggesting that you don't assess the students' work without using the district scope / sequence documents that you need to -- of course you must.  But give it a grade, write it down somewhere only for your purposes, so that you can "translate" it later on to the report -- and don't let the students see it or even worry about it.  All they then have to worry about is the feedback you've given them which is specific to how they can become a better learner.

(I have no idea if that suggestion is even feasible or realistic, however. I simply remember reading it a few weeks ago and thinking that I would like to give it a try in at least one of my classes in the upcoming school year.)


@Clay - I'm afraid I have few suggestions other than the one I already made to Lucia about using grades for colleges, etc.  Until the system changes, this is the status quo in that arena -- at the end of the day you have to put something in a box on a report.  But as teachers we can make what is behind that "box" more meaningful by taking the emphasis off the actual letters or numbers.  Can't we tell students and parents, "That grade is there only because I needed to put it there, but it is nowhere near as descriptive as all the other feedback and evidence in this child's portfolio of work"?  

And as for the difficulty managing large class sizes-- indeed this is a challenge.  Depending on the ages of your students, I do believe that a teacher can train them to properly and accurately self and peer assess so that perhaps the load is lessened.  Obviously this might be difficult with primary students, but my 6th graders know how to do it.  I have to step in once in a while and guide them, but if they are intrinsically motivated to learn (ie., without the grades) then they will understand how to apply a set of criteria to their own work to see how they are progressing and what areas they need to improve.

@Paul -- Other than essay exams, the exams at IB Diploma level are also based on criteria with different levels of achievement within each criterion.  The levels of achievement are actually written as descriptors of the work, and so they are not based on percentages or other quantitative data.  IB programs at all levels are about holistic assessment, and this is (to my mind) one of the things that makes them such progressive programs.  Not to say they are infallible (they have many weaknessses), but they are definitely more forward-thinking.

Adriennes last blog post..&lt;a href="http://msmichetti.edublogs.org/2008/06/10/google-teacher-no-go/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Google Teacher No-Go&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, everyone, for the feedback.  A few quick replies - I&#8217;ve got guests this week and I&#8217;m short on time.</p>
<p>@Anand -  the flower imagery <b>can</b> remove the numbers altogether so that we don&#8217;t have to resort to the 1-4 scale that you mention.  And yes, I am very familiar with the difference between formative and summative assessment, as are my students.  However, what I question is why we must use NUMBERS for the summative assessment.  Why can&#8217;t the flower image work for different skill sets and be reported thus, with support from a narrative?</p>
<p>@Jim - perhaps we need to re-train parents to understand that learning can happen without the numbers.  The narratives you describe probably hold much more information about what learning is going on in with your students than any letter grade or percentage.</p>
<p>@Jenny - I find it interesting that you think of Grading and Assessment as two different things.  If you had to define Grading, what would your definition be?  I guess a big part of my philosophy has a hole in it because perhaps I really don&#8217;t understand the concept of Grading. </p>
<p>@lhagen &#8212; You said &#8220;I just don’t know how to circumvent the system that dictates policies that bring relevant assessment practices to a crashing halt.&#8221; I completely understand how you feel.  And it sounds like you are tied to more grading policies than I have ever been in my 10 years as a teacher, so you have made me feel very fortunate and thankful.  I don&#8217;t profess to have all the answers, but I wonder if you couldn&#8217;t just leave the grade for the reports and nothing else.  What I mean is, use the grade as the way you need to use it, but make all of your feedback to students and parents <b>outside</b> of reports of the narrative or symbolic type.  I can&#8217;t remember where I read about this &#8212; I think it was in that Alfie Kohn article that Clay referenced &#8212; where he suggested doing something of this nature.  That way, your feedback to students is always and only about their learning, and their understanding of assessment is also only for their learning.  But the grading, which you have a hard time getting around, is for the parents and so for those purposes, you just fill in the boxes and get it over with.  I&#8217;m not suggesting that you don&#8217;t assess the students&#8217; work without using the district scope / sequence documents that you need to &#8212; of course you must.  But give it a grade, write it down somewhere only for your purposes, so that you can &#8220;translate&#8221; it later on to the report &#8212; and don&#8217;t let the students see it or even worry about it.  All they then have to worry about is the feedback you&#8217;ve given them which is specific to how they can become a better learner.</p>
<p>(I have no idea if that suggestion is even feasible or realistic, however. I simply remember reading it a few weeks ago and thinking that I would like to give it a try in at least one of my classes in the upcoming school year.)</p>
<p>@Clay - I&#8217;m afraid I have few suggestions other than the one I already made to Lucia about using grades for colleges, etc.  Until the system changes, this is the status quo in that arena &#8212; at the end of the day you have to put something in a box on a report.  But as teachers we can make what is behind that &#8220;box&#8221; more meaningful by taking the emphasis off the actual letters or numbers.  Can&#8217;t we tell students and parents, &#8220;That grade is there only because I needed to put it there, but it is nowhere near as descriptive as all the other feedback and evidence in this child&#8217;s portfolio of work&#8221;?  </p>
<p>And as for the difficulty managing large class sizes&#8211; indeed this is a challenge.  Depending on the ages of your students, I do believe that a teacher can train them to properly and accurately self and peer assess so that perhaps the load is lessened.  Obviously this might be difficult with primary students, but my 6th graders know how to do it.  I have to step in once in a while and guide them, but if they are intrinsically motivated to learn (ie., without the grades) then they will understand how to apply a set of criteria to their own work to see how they are progressing and what areas they need to improve.</p>
<p>@Paul &#8212; Other than essay exams, the exams at IB Diploma level are also based on criteria with different levels of achievement within each criterion.  The levels of achievement are actually written as descriptors of the work, and so they are not based on percentages or other quantitative data.  IB programs at all levels are about holistic assessment, and this is (to my mind) one of the things that makes them such progressive programs.  Not to say they are infallible (they have many weaknessses), but they are definitely more forward-thinking.</p>
<p>Adriennes last blog post..<a href="http://msmichetti.edublogs.org/2008/06/10/google-teacher-no-go/" rel="nofollow">Google Teacher No-Go</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul McMahon</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/07/grading-gone-awry/#comment-4388</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul McMahon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 04:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that this is a great post but it stops short of actually being perscriptive of how we satisfy all stakeholders that the "assessment" that we are doing really is valid and reliable. 
Given that there are good examples of schools out there trying to do things differently, I really want to be reading more postings and articles in the mass media about how student presentations, portfolios, blog commenting etc, are much better indicators of success in the 21st Century world. 
I am in Hong Kong, the land where every school is rushing headlong into the IB programme as quickly as possible due to questions about continuation of A Levels beyond 2013. I run into lots of parents who know that their kids will suffer in trying to live up to the assessment criteria for the Theory of Knowledge component and the external examination regime yet in the weekend papers there was a report of the last big International School in Hong Kong deciding to fall into line.
Seems to me that we are all doing a bad job of getting the message out about alternatives.
Mind you, not being an IB Diploma teacher, I could have it wrong, maybe the external exams are flexible, open-ended assessments? Somehow, I don't think so.

Paul McMahons last blog post..&lt;a href="http://xpatasia.edublogs.org/2008/07/05/slides-using-podcasts-for-teaching-english/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Slides: Using Podcasts for Teaching English&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that this is a great post but it stops short of actually being perscriptive of how we satisfy all stakeholders that the &#8220;assessment&#8221; that we are doing really is valid and reliable.<br />
Given that there are good examples of schools out there trying to do things differently, I really want to be reading more postings and articles in the mass media about how student presentations, portfolios, blog commenting etc, are much better indicators of success in the 21st Century world.<br />
I am in Hong Kong, the land where every school is rushing headlong into the IB programme as quickly as possible due to questions about continuation of A Levels beyond 2013. I run into lots of parents who know that their kids will suffer in trying to live up to the assessment criteria for the Theory of Knowledge component and the external examination regime yet in the weekend papers there was a report of the last big International School in Hong Kong deciding to fall into line.<br />
Seems to me that we are all doing a bad job of getting the message out about alternatives.<br />
Mind you, not being an IB Diploma teacher, I could have it wrong, maybe the external exams are flexible, open-ended assessments? Somehow, I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>Paul McMahons last blog post..<a href="http://xpatasia.edublogs.org/2008/07/05/slides-using-podcasts-for-teaching-english/" rel="nofollow">Slides: Using Podcasts for Teaching English</a></p>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 03:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Real quick, as I'm brain-dead from an all-night Wimbledon finals marathon (my heart breaks for Federer, but embraces Nadal too for a beautifully rising star) --

Anand touches on my biggest "yeah but....": college admissions and the crushing pressure to brand students with a standards-based (if they're lucky) grade. I know many colleges are going SAT optional, but that's no help, since they're weighting GPA even more as a result.  So....help.

And Lucia touches another one: how "unmanageable" it is to assess students with care when class sizes are so large today (and considered normal when, as my Taking Back Teaching post discusses, were not always so) - AND to do it _on top of_ having to grade for the report cards and progress reports.  Help.

Really good comments already. Thanks for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Real quick, as I&#8217;m brain-dead from an all-night Wimbledon finals marathon (my heart breaks for Federer, but embraces Nadal too for a beautifully rising star) &#8211;</p>
<p>Anand touches on my biggest &#8220;yeah but&#8230;.&#8221;: college admissions and the crushing pressure to brand students with a standards-based (if they&#8217;re lucky) grade. I know many colleges are going SAT optional, but that&#8217;s no help, since they&#8217;re weighting GPA even more as a result.  So&#8230;.help.</p>
<p>And Lucia touches another one: how &#8220;unmanageable&#8221; it is to assess students with care when class sizes are so large today (and considered normal when, as my Taking Back Teaching post discusses, were not always so) - AND to do it _on top of_ having to grade for the report cards and progress reports.  Help.</p>
<p>Really good comments already. Thanks for that.</p>
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		<title>By: lhagen</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/07/grading-gone-awry/#comment-4386</link>
		<dc:creator>lhagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 03:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Jim Walker, my background is special education.  When I made the transition to "general" education teacher, I continued to see the value of using IEP-type narratives to assess the learning gains of my students.  So, I use coaching rubrics similar to Adrienne Michetti's flower example to document student growth.  I also try to take an A/B/Not Yet approach to "grading" based on the how well the student scored on the coaching rubric.  
This approach to student assessment has become more that I can manage.  Though I can clearly articulate to parents exactly which skills a student has or has not mastered within the course, I am still required by the district to give a "grade" for student work at the end of every six week period.  (Actually, I have to "give grades" by the third week of every grading period as a means of providing parents with a "progress report.") There is, for me, always a disconnect between how well my students progress and how I'm required to quantify that progress.  
Like Jim Walker, I'm conflicted with I'm asked to "grade" student A, who could, at the beginning of the course, barely write a complete sentence, but who has mastered complex sentences by mid-semester, and "grade" student B, who began the semester with a solid command of sentence and paragraph structure, and by mid-semester is well on the way to writing well supported, logically organized essays.  Who gets an "A"?  My documentation shows that both students made learning gains.  According to the scope and sequence of the course, however, student A hasn't met the criteria for passing the course.  (An added insult: Student A has also not learned enough to pass the standardized writing test.)
I'm totally on the "assessment" bandwagon.  I get it.  I just don't know how to circumvent the system that dictates policies that bring relevant assessment practices to a crashing halt.

lhagens last blog post..&lt;a href="http://lhagen.com/blog/archives/18" rel="nofollow"&gt;master story tellers&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Jim Walker, my background is special education.  When I made the transition to &#8220;general&#8221; education teacher, I continued to see the value of using IEP-type narratives to assess the learning gains of my students.  So, I use coaching rubrics similar to Adrienne Michetti&#8217;s flower example to document student growth.  I also try to take an A/B/Not Yet approach to &#8220;grading&#8221; based on the how well the student scored on the coaching rubric.<br />
This approach to student assessment has become more that I can manage.  Though I can clearly articulate to parents exactly which skills a student has or has not mastered within the course, I am still required by the district to give a &#8220;grade&#8221; for student work at the end of every six week period.  (Actually, I have to &#8220;give grades&#8221; by the third week of every grading period as a means of providing parents with a &#8220;progress report.&#8221;) There is, for me, always a disconnect between how well my students progress and how I&#8217;m required to quantify that progress.<br />
Like Jim Walker, I&#8217;m conflicted with I&#8217;m asked to &#8220;grade&#8221; student A, who could, at the beginning of the course, barely write a complete sentence, but who has mastered complex sentences by mid-semester, and &#8220;grade&#8221; student B, who began the semester with a solid command of sentence and paragraph structure, and by mid-semester is well on the way to writing well supported, logically organized essays.  Who gets an &#8220;A&#8221;?  My documentation shows that both students made learning gains.  According to the scope and sequence of the course, however, student A hasn&#8217;t met the criteria for passing the course.  (An added insult: Student A has also not learned enough to pass the standardized writing test.)<br />
I&#8217;m totally on the &#8220;assessment&#8221; bandwagon.  I get it.  I just don&#8217;t know how to circumvent the system that dictates policies that bring relevant assessment practices to a crashing halt.</p>
<p>lhagens last blog post..<a href="http://lhagen.com/blog/archives/18" rel="nofollow">master story tellers</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/07/07/grading-gone-awry/#comment-4385</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, I'm a big fan of the flower symbol as a way to communicate assessment information to students and parents. I may have to give that a try this year.

Your post has given me a lot to think about. I teach elementary and I often wonder how much of a difference that makes in my thoughts on certain topics.

I think of assessment and grading as two very different things. Assessment is what I am doing almost all the time in order to plan instruction appropriately. Grading is what I do because I have to. Society here in the US demands that we give grades. Both because we (many of us) are naturally competitive and because it is what we have always done. I'd like to see us abolish grades all together and try some drastically different way of communicating assessment information. I think a huge shift will be necessary for us to not simply do the same thing with a different name and look.

Jennys last blog post..&lt;a href="http://emdffi.blogspot.com/2008/07/fbs-who-are-they.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;FBs - Who are they?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, I&#8217;m a big fan of the flower symbol as a way to communicate assessment information to students and parents. I may have to give that a try this year.</p>
<p>Your post has given me a lot to think about. I teach elementary and I often wonder how much of a difference that makes in my thoughts on certain topics.</p>
<p>I think of assessment and grading as two very different things. Assessment is what I am doing almost all the time in order to plan instruction appropriately. Grading is what I do because I have to. Society here in the US demands that we give grades. Both because we (many of us) are naturally competitive and because it is what we have always done. I&#8217;d like to see us abolish grades all together and try some drastically different way of communicating assessment information. I think a huge shift will be necessary for us to not simply do the same thing with a different name and look.</p>
<p>Jennys last blog post..<a href="http://emdffi.blogspot.com/2008/07/fbs-who-are-they.html" rel="nofollow">FBs - Who are they?</a></p>
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