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	<title>Comments on: For the Roses: My Latest Position on Classroom Blogging</title>
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	<description>. . . and beyond "schooliness"          -           notes of a 20th c. teaching drop-out</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: PgS/nSpeek: Clay Burell's Article</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/05/01/for-the-roses-my-latest-position-on-classroom-blogging/#comment-4819</link>
		<dc:creator>PgS/nSpeek: Clay Burell's Article</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Burell's Article Original link: -[Clay Burell's Article]- [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Dangerously Irrelevant:</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/05/01/for-the-roses-my-latest-position-on-classroom-blogging/#comment-4445</link>
		<dc:creator>Dangerously Irrelevant:</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] [Since CoComment won’t play nice, here’s my response to Clay Burell’s post] [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Maybe I Can Teach Something: :: Don&#8217;t Forget The Audience</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maybe I Can Teach Something: :: Don&#8217;t Forget The Audience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 18:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] should not be graded. It should be required, but at the same time, there should be no rules (read this post by Clay Burell about blogging at school). Just tell your students to start by writing about [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bør vi tøyle dem? &#171; Mitt hJØRNe av web&#8217;en</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/05/01/for-the-roses-my-latest-position-on-classroom-blogging/#comment-3928</link>
		<dc:creator>Bør vi tøyle dem? &#171; Mitt hJØRNe av web&#8217;en</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 13:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] annen blogger som for lengst har kommentert Pew-studien, er Clay Burell på Beyond School (&#8221;For the Roses: My Latest Position on Classroom Blogging&#8220;). Med sedvanlig engasjement langer han ut mot både studiens framstillinger og skolens [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] annen blogger som for lengst har kommentert Pew-studien, er Clay Burell på Beyond School (&#8221;For the Roses: My Latest Position on Classroom Blogging&#8220;). Med sedvanlig engasjement langer han ut mot både studiens framstillinger og skolens [...]</p>
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		<title>By: To All The &#8220;Blog Graders&#8221; :: Don&#8217;t Forget The Audience</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/05/01/for-the-roses-my-latest-position-on-classroom-blogging/#comment-3911</link>
		<dc:creator>To All The &#8220;Blog Graders&#8221; :: Don&#8217;t Forget The Audience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 04:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] think you&#8217;ve read my  &#8220;For the Roses: My Latest Position on Classroom Blogging&#8221; post. A great conversation is going on at the bottom of that comment thread with a woman named [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Phew for PEW at Newly Ancient</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/05/01/for-the-roses-my-latest-position-on-classroom-blogging/#comment-3874</link>
		<dc:creator>Phew for PEW at Newly Ancient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 18:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] aside those issues, I have to agree with Clay that the researchers really don&#8217;t grasp the nature of teen blogging. That&#8217;s the only [...]</description>
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		<title>By: diane</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/05/01/for-the-roses-my-latest-position-on-classroom-blogging/#comment-3833</link>
		<dc:creator>diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 22:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clay,

I was fascinated by Bill Farren's "I'm Afraid Not" 
and showed it to my high school Current Events students.  

Their interpretation of the video was very different from mine.
http://tinyurl.com/568n5h

diane

dianes last blog post..&lt;a href="http://dmcordell.blogspot.com/2008/05/she-never-existed-before-mothers-day.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;She Never Existed Before: Mother's Day 2008&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clay,</p>
<p>I was fascinated by Bill Farren&#8217;s &#8220;I&#8217;m Afraid Not&#8221;<br />
and showed it to my high school Current Events students.  </p>
<p>Their interpretation of the video was very different from mine.<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/568n5h" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/568n5h</a></p>
<p>diane</p>
<p>dianes last blog post..<a href="http://dmcordell.blogspot.com/2008/05/she-never-existed-before-mothers-day.html" rel="nofollow">She Never Existed Before: Mother&#8217;s Day 2008</a></p>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/05/01/for-the-roses-my-latest-position-on-classroom-blogging/#comment-3832</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 22:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sarah,  This has to be real quick because I have to head off to school (you're my morning read), so:

a) I hear you about the importance of context and agree. I think I've said more than once in this thread that our contexts - age group of students, educational culture, socio-economic background, etc - are important to recognize, and that I suspect the high school students at my school are a different breed than that of most others here.

b) I hope to write about this, but the summary: I visited a class of 10-year-olds to read a story to them during literacy week - I read the last Winnie the Pooh story from the second of the two books - and their receptiveness and eagerness to hear blew me away. It confirmed what you say about middle years students. I was talking here about my normal context.

c) Re: the comment challenge, like all things, it depends on the individual participating. A lot of people are skeptical about it for a lot of reasons, and a lot aren't. I think it's a temperamental thing. When it works for all around, then it's great. When not, there's room for criticism.

That's all I have time for now.  Off to work. 

I lied: Bill Farren's blog is one of the most vital things out there. I'm glad you mention http://ed4wb.org .  His latest video makes me wonder where he'll be in a year. Amazing developments over there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sarah,  This has to be real quick because I have to head off to school (you&#8217;re my morning read), so:</p>
<p>a) I hear you about the importance of context and agree. I think I&#8217;ve said more than once in this thread that our contexts - age group of students, educational culture, socio-economic background, etc - are important to recognize, and that I suspect the high school students at my school are a different breed than that of most others here.</p>
<p>b) I hope to write about this, but the summary: I visited a class of 10-year-olds to read a story to them during literacy week - I read the last Winnie the Pooh story from the second of the two books - and their receptiveness and eagerness to hear blew me away. It confirmed what you say about middle years students. I was talking here about my normal context.</p>
<p>c) Re: the comment challenge, like all things, it depends on the individual participating. A lot of people are skeptical about it for a lot of reasons, and a lot aren&#8217;t. I think it&#8217;s a temperamental thing. When it works for all around, then it&#8217;s great. When not, there&#8217;s room for criticism.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all I have time for now.  Off to work. </p>
<p>I lied: Bill Farren&#8217;s blog is one of the most vital things out there. I&#8217;m glad you mention <a href="http://ed4wb.org" rel="nofollow">http://ed4wb.org</a> .  His latest video makes me wonder where he&#8217;ll be in a year. Amazing developments over there.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/05/01/for-the-roses-my-latest-position-on-classroom-blogging/#comment-3830</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 16:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record--I'm "doing" the Comment Challenge and unapologetically too.  I'm glad others are too, because by reading this entire thread, I've actually changed my mind twice about student blogging.  I don't change my mind nearly as often as someone who considers herself "open-minded" should.  Also, I've visited Clay's blog many times, but I haven't commented before the challenge because, well, before then I almost never commented.  I also didn't tend to spend nearly as much time sifting through information that made me question anything I'm going in the classroom.  

I'm a big fan of Bill Farren's, and I think his blog is one of the few I commented on before the challenge.

My students are *required* to journal via a modified blog about their thoughts on the books they read for independent reading and to comment to each other's blogs.  They are also 10, 11 and 12 years old, and our blogs are limited to the 72 students in the grade, the teachers in the grade and our school librarian for legal reasons.  I grade them in the sense that they have to do it, and if they don't, I sit them down and they write under duress.  I don't like doing that, and I don't have to do it often, but it has happened 2 or 3 times this year.  

I'm not going to get far into how reading this post and series of comments has changed my mind, because I'm not done thinking it through yet.  However, I am now engaged in being reflective and metacognative about my methods of getting students to read, write and communicate about reading.   I really like what has happened this year with this activity, but that doesn't mean I'll just repeat it next year.   

If you haven't taught this age group, it's an awful lot of fun, but it can be wild.  Some are still at the point where they don't bathe/brush their teeth except under duress.  Others are in full-blown puberty by the end of the year.  I think Clay's points about selecting which students get the most attention apply to older students more than younger ones.  

So--no nice synthesis here to wrap it up; however, I'm going to do some more thinking about whether coerced writing can be authentic.  Yep, I'm tagging this post too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record&#8211;I&#8217;m &#8220;doing&#8221; the Comment Challenge and unapologetically too.  I&#8217;m glad others are too, because by reading this entire thread, I&#8217;ve actually changed my mind twice about student blogging.  I don&#8217;t change my mind nearly as often as someone who considers herself &#8220;open-minded&#8221; should.  Also, I&#8217;ve visited Clay&#8217;s blog many times, but I haven&#8217;t commented before the challenge because, well, before then I almost never commented.  I also didn&#8217;t tend to spend nearly as much time sifting through information that made me question anything I&#8217;m going in the classroom.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a big fan of Bill Farren&#8217;s, and I think his blog is one of the few I commented on before the challenge.</p>
<p>My students are *required* to journal via a modified blog about their thoughts on the books they read for independent reading and to comment to each other&#8217;s blogs.  They are also 10, 11 and 12 years old, and our blogs are limited to the 72 students in the grade, the teachers in the grade and our school librarian for legal reasons.  I grade them in the sense that they have to do it, and if they don&#8217;t, I sit them down and they write under duress.  I don&#8217;t like doing that, and I don&#8217;t have to do it often, but it has happened 2 or 3 times this year.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to get far into how reading this post and series of comments has changed my mind, because I&#8217;m not done thinking it through yet.  However, I am now engaged in being reflective and metacognative about my methods of getting students to read, write and communicate about reading.   I really like what has happened this year with this activity, but that doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;ll just repeat it next year.   </p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t taught this age group, it&#8217;s an awful lot of fun, but it can be wild.  Some are still at the point where they don&#8217;t bathe/brush their teeth except under duress.  Others are in full-blown puberty by the end of the year.  I think Clay&#8217;s points about selecting which students get the most attention apply to older students more than younger ones.  </p>
<p>So&#8211;no nice synthesis here to wrap it up; however, I&#8217;m going to do some more thinking about whether coerced writing can be authentic.  Yep, I&#8217;m tagging this post too.</p>
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		<title>By: hendron&#8217;s digest &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Teen Blogging</title>
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		<dc:creator>hendron&#8217;s digest &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Teen Blogging</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 13:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Clay wrote earlier this month about the state of teen blogging, taking apart some recently published statistics. To boil it down, he only recommends blogging in a [English] course that&#8217;s advanced: for kids who really like to write. The reason? Blogging, computers, and the technology don&#8217;t instantly make writers out of kids. If they didn&#8217;t want to write with paper and pencil, why is the technology going to change that? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Clay wrote earlier this month about the state of teen blogging, taking apart some recently published statistics. To boil it down, he only recommends blogging in a [English] course that&#8217;s advanced: for kids who really like to write. The reason? Blogging, computers, and the technology don&#8217;t instantly make writers out of kids. If they didn&#8217;t want to write with paper and pencil, why is the technology going to change that? [...]</p>
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