Comments on: Open Thread: What Do We Mean by “Self-Promotion” on Twitter? http://beyond-school.org/2008/04/24/open-thread-what-do-we-mean-by-self-promotion-on-twitter/ More education. Less schooliness. Thu, 08 Jan 2009 11:52:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Sarah Stewart http://beyond-school.org/2008/04/24/open-thread-what-do-we-mean-by-self-promotion-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-3464 Sarah Stewart Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:21:23 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=662#comment-3464 I have to say, Diane, that there's something in what you say about teaching self promotion. In my annual review for my job, that is exactly what I have to do. If I do not promote myself, no one else will, and then I won't get promotion (and that much needed pay rise). For research funding (PBRF) for our universities in NZ (and probably a lot of the world), again, that is exactly what we have to do - promote ourselves. I think self-promotion is being driven by academia in order to achieve promotion, tenure and funding. The more people commenting on your papers and citing you etc etc, the more money you get. The interesting issue about performance based funding is that it probably wont recognise blogging or a lot of online activities as a credible academic activity. Sarah Stewarts last blog post..<a href="http://sarah-stewart.blogspot.com/2008/04/story-telling-in-second-life.html" rel="nofollow">Story telling in Second Life</a> I have to say, Diane, that there’s something in what you say about teaching self promotion. In my annual review for my job, that is exactly what I have to do. If I do not promote myself, no one else will, and then I won’t get promotion (and that much needed pay rise). For research funding (PBRF) for our universities in NZ (and probably a lot of the world), again, that is exactly what we have to do - promote ourselves. I think self-promotion is being driven by academia in order to achieve promotion, tenure and funding. The more people commenting on your papers and citing you etc etc, the more money you get. The interesting issue about performance based funding is that it probably wont recognise
blogging or a lot of online activities as a credible academic activity.

Sarah Stewarts last blog post..Story telling in Second Life

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By: Terry Smith http://beyond-school.org/2008/04/24/open-thread-what-do-we-mean-by-self-promotion-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-3422 Terry Smith Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:06:02 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=662#comment-3422 Choice is an amazing thing to have. It is quite simple to stop reading a blog or twitter that you are not enjoying, eh? Choice is an amazing thing to have. It is quite simple to stop reading a blog or twitter that you are not enjoying, eh?

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By: diane http://beyond-school.org/2008/04/24/open-thread-what-do-we-mean-by-self-promotion-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-3399 diane Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:27:25 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=662#comment-3399 Clay, We spend inordinate amounts of time in our elementary school promoting self-esteem; perhaps we should also include self-promotion in our character curriculum. Recognizing and taking ownership of positive actions is a GOOD thing. Gracefully accepting a complement is almost a lost art. And sharing news, plans, and accomplishments with friends makes life interesting. If I want a monologue, I'll speak to my mirror. Conversation is what I'm after. And a shared insight, a (friendly) verbal sparring match, or a sincere "Well done" adds immeasurably to value of my efforts. "A humble person is totally different from a person who cannot recognize and appreciate himself as part of this worlds marvels" -Rabino Nilton Bonder diane dianes last blog post..<a href="http://dmcordell.blogspot.com/2008/04/im-nobody-who-are-you.html" rel="nofollow">I'm Nobody! Who are You?</a> Clay,

We spend inordinate amounts of time in our elementary school promoting self-esteem; perhaps we should also include self-promotion in our character curriculum.

Recognizing and taking ownership of positive actions is a GOOD thing. Gracefully accepting a complement is almost a lost art. And sharing news, plans, and accomplishments with friends makes life interesting.

If I want a monologue, I’ll speak to my mirror. Conversation is what I’m after. And a shared insight, a (friendly) verbal sparring match, or a sincere “Well done” adds immeasurably to value of my efforts.

“A humble person is totally different from a person who cannot recognize and appreciate himself as part of this worlds marvels” -Rabino Nilton Bonder

diane

dianes last blog post..I’m Nobody! Who are You?

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By: Clay Burell http://beyond-school.org/2008/04/24/open-thread-what-do-we-mean-by-self-promotion-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-3395 Clay Burell Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:48:02 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=662#comment-3395 Hi Kate - Well at least I was less idiotic than usual by noting I may have misunderstood :) I agree with you about the megalomaniacs. I consider them almost more as spammers (or wannabee cult leaders). Thanks for clarifying. For the record, though, that term has popped up in a lot of posts this week, so different people probably mean different things by it. @Scott I hope so too. You're a hoot, and it don't hurt that you're a smart one. Love your blog. Want to learn how you make you smooth graphics so I can continue to improve by stealing from you. @Taylor: You crack me up. I couldn't have said it any better and more saltily myself. And yes, I can't wait for a good conversation aggregator. Surely a matter of time? Throw that Lolita comment on the Lolita thread, you. People will miss it here. It's a post that won't die. Lots of medicine for hypocrites and prudes there. Hi Kate - Well at least I was less idiotic than usual by noting I may have misunderstood :) I agree with you about the megalomaniacs. I consider them almost more as spammers (or wannabee cult leaders). Thanks for clarifying.

For the record, though, that term has popped up in a lot of posts this week, so different people probably mean different things by it.

@Scott I hope so too. You’re a hoot, and it don’t hurt that you’re a smart one. Love your blog. Want to learn how you make you smooth graphics so I can continue to improve by stealing from you.

@Taylor: You crack me up. I couldn’t have said it any better and more saltily myself. And yes, I can’t wait for a good conversation aggregator. Surely a matter of time?

Throw that Lolita comment on the Lolita thread, you. People will miss it here. It’s a post that won’t die. Lots of medicine for hypocrites and prudes there.

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By: Penelope http://beyond-school.org/2008/04/24/open-thread-what-do-we-mean-by-self-promotion-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-3393 Penelope Thu, 24 Apr 2008 18:00:33 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=662#comment-3393 Sylvia's on to a good point: I got frustrated as a kid when the everyone was punished for someone's infractions. I get frustrated as an adult when vague reminders/notices are sent out by my boss to do something I was already doing, because if someone isn't, go tell them. I get frustrated at blog posts about self-promoters on twitter or whatever for the same reason. I just don't get twitter drama. Unfollow someone you don't want to read anymore and move on. Where's the fuss? Of course, the same is true on livejournal and I know people that have elaborate friending/unfriending rules over there. Never understood it then either. Sylvia’s on to a good point: I got frustrated as a kid when the everyone was punished for someone’s infractions. I get frustrated as an adult when vague reminders/notices are sent out by my boss to do something I was already doing, because if someone isn’t, go tell them. I get frustrated at blog posts about self-promoters on twitter or whatever for the same reason.

I just don’t get twitter drama. Unfollow someone you don’t want to read anymore and move on. Where’s the fuss?

Of course, the same is true on livejournal and I know people that have elaborate friending/unfriending rules over there. Never understood it then either.

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By: Taylor http://beyond-school.org/2008/04/24/open-thread-what-do-we-mean-by-self-promotion-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-3391 Taylor Thu, 24 Apr 2008 13:35:08 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=662#comment-3391 I think the "self promotion" accusation is simply another way of saying, "this guy is an asshole." I tend to tweet in spurts, and sometimes (like last night) I worry that I over tweet. When you're doing that, your personality is bound to come out, and if you're a selfish jerk it's going to show. I wasn't (I don't think) "promoting" myself.... but I was talking about my experiences. Every word, communication, tweet, email, blog post, wink, kiss, or gesture (obscene or otherwise) is situated. I don't know much but what I know. Sharing what I know enables me to discuss my experiences and learn. I'm not a fan of rules. I'm not much even a fan of guidelines because usually they become rules by default, apathy, socialization, or whatever. I have never actually thought of anyone as a "self-promoter," but sometimes I've thought people were boring, or assholes, or just talking about things I don't understand or care about. In those cases, I simply unfollow. About the posting comments to twitter v. blog thing, there have been times I've wished the conversation wasn't splintered. There has to be a technological solution to that. Why can't we have trackbacks (or similar) inside twitter so that when someone is responding on twitter to a blog post, it shows up in both places? PS -- Clay, I have been so insanely busy and overwhelmed that I COMPLETELY missed the Lolita discussion. I was so mad b/c I taught "Slaughterhouse Five" and "A Clockwork Orange" to regular-level (!!!!! horrible words!!!) students last year. They were the best experiences in my time teaching English. Many students now have one of those books listed in their facebook profiles as their faves. I also taught The Shining in summer school (which I will defend to the ground.) I haven't read Lolita, but have always wanted to, and I am now even more intrigued. Your blog always gets me thinking. PS again -- the new look is great. I myself am completely sick of cutline, but don't want to change until I can afford to have a custom design made. Thanks for keeping us thinking! That's what great teachers do. I think the “self promotion” accusation is simply another way of saying, “this guy is an asshole.” I tend to tweet in spurts, and sometimes (like last night) I worry that I over tweet. When you’re doing that, your personality is bound to come out, and if you’re a selfish jerk it’s going to show.

I wasn’t (I don’t think) “promoting” myself…. but I was talking about my experiences. Every word, communication, tweet, email, blog post, wink, kiss, or gesture (obscene or otherwise) is situated. I don’t know much but what I know. Sharing what I know enables me to discuss my experiences and learn.

I’m not a fan of rules. I’m not much even a fan of guidelines because usually they become rules by default, apathy, socialization, or whatever.

I have never actually thought of anyone as a “self-promoter,” but sometimes I’ve thought people were boring, or assholes, or just talking about things I don’t understand or care about. In those cases, I simply unfollow.

About the posting comments to twitter v. blog thing, there have been times I’ve wished the conversation wasn’t splintered. There has to be a technological solution to that. Why can’t we have trackbacks (or similar) inside twitter so that when someone is responding on twitter to a blog post, it shows up in both places?

PS — Clay, I have been so insanely busy and overwhelmed that I COMPLETELY missed the Lolita discussion. I was so mad b/c I taught “Slaughterhouse Five” and “A Clockwork Orange” to regular-level (!!!!! horrible words!!!) students last year. They were the best experiences in my time teaching English. Many students now have one of those books listed in their facebook profiles as their faves. I also taught The Shining in summer school (which I will defend to the ground.)

I haven’t read Lolita, but have always wanted to, and I am now even more intrigued. Your blog always gets me thinking.

PS again — the new look is great. I myself am completely sick of cutline, but don’t want to change until I can afford to have a custom design made.

Thanks for keeping us thinking! That’s what great teachers do.

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By: Kate http://beyond-school.org/2008/04/24/open-thread-what-do-we-mean-by-self-promotion-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-3388 Kate Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:48:02 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=662#comment-3388 Good morning, Clay, I think I was one of the first to raise the "Self Promotion" question in the "uses and abuses" post comments, and I will clarify my definition. As someone who is newer to Twitter, I am delighted when I see a "just posted" tweet from someone whose work I read. What I am reacting to is the frequent tweeter whose 140 characters fill my feed with a blizzard of updates and often refer to "my book" or "you must see this" "best feature ever" - Essentially, "look how amazingly contemporary I am; I am the source." To me, a self promoter is someone who does NOT want to hear your ideas, but only wants you to hear his or hers. I am happy to hear about hockey games, dinner plans, vacations, and American Idol in the landscape of Prometian boards, grammar, postings, and great urls. Thanks for asking for clarification. Good morning, Clay,
I think I was one of the first to raise the “Self Promotion” question in the “uses and abuses” post comments, and I will clarify my definition.

As someone who is newer to Twitter, I am delighted when I see a “just posted” tweet from someone whose work I read. What I am reacting to is the frequent tweeter whose 140 characters fill my feed with a blizzard of updates and often refer to “my book” or “you must see this” “best feature ever” - Essentially, “look how amazingly contemporary I am; I am the source.” To me, a self promoter is someone who does NOT want to hear your ideas, but only wants you to hear his or hers.

I am happy to hear about hockey games, dinner plans, vacations, and American Idol in the landscape of Prometian boards, grammar, postings, and great urls.

Thanks for asking for clarification.

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By: Tweetclouds as Windows of the Soul | Beyond School http://beyond-school.org/2008/04/24/open-thread-what-do-we-mean-by-self-promotion-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-3386 Tweetclouds as Windows of the Soul | Beyond School Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:25:26 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=662#comment-3386 [...] “self-promoter” (i.e., guy who likes to share his thoughts and seek yours in reply) inevitably tops the [...] [...] “self-promoter” (i.e., guy who likes to share his thoughts and seek yours in reply) inevitably tops the [...]

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By: sylvia martinez http://beyond-school.org/2008/04/24/open-thread-what-do-we-mean-by-self-promotion-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-3385 sylvia martinez Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:37:48 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=662#comment-3385 I never understand how people can imagine that there are any rules to all this stuff. I especially despise the "polite" scoldings that don't say exactly what or who is being scolded. We are all left to imagine who is being naughty while the scolder sits in judgement of everyone who isn't folowing their imaginary rules. Do whatever you like on Twitter - it's my choice to follow, read, click, or respond. sylvia martinezs last blog post..<a href="http://blog.genyes.com/index.php/2008/04/23/jons-mom-weighs-in-with-some-parental-wisdom-for-the-ages/" rel="nofollow">Jon’s mom weighs in with some parental wisdom for the ages</a> I never understand how people can imagine that there are any rules to all this stuff.

I especially despise the “polite” scoldings that don’t say exactly what or who is being scolded. We are all left to imagine who is being naughty while the scolder sits in judgement of everyone who isn’t folowing their imaginary rules.

Do whatever you like on Twitter - it’s my choice to follow, read, click, or respond.

sylvia martinezs last blog post..Jon’s mom weighs in with some parental wisdom for the ages

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By: Scott McLeod http://beyond-school.org/2008/04/24/open-thread-what-do-we-mean-by-self-promotion-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-3381 Scott McLeod Thu, 24 Apr 2008 03:45:04 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=662#comment-3381 Clay, my online friend, I hope we get to meet in person some time. I'm guessing that's going to be an absolute blast. 'Til then, virtually yours... Scott McLeods last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/dangerouslyirrelevant/~3/276467733/the-importance.html" rel="nofollow">The importance of educator perceptions</a> Clay, my online friend, I hope we get to meet in person some time. I’m guessing that’s going to be an absolute blast. ‘Til then, virtually yours…

Scott McLeods last blog post..The importance of educator perceptions

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