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	<title>Comments on: Beyond RSS: Using Alltop.com to Teach Writing</title>
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	<description>. . . and beyond "schooliness"          -           notes of a 20th c. teaching drop-out</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 09:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 100 Free Library 2.0 Webinars and Tutorials &#124; College@Home</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/03/29/beyond-rss-using-alltopcom-to-teach-writing/#comment-3991</link>
		<dc:creator>100 Free Library 2.0 Webinars and Tutorials &#124; College@Home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 16:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Using Guy Kawasaki&#8217;s Alltop in the Writing Classroom (or, &#34;Goodbye, RSS&#34;): Check out this guide to using aggregates for education. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Using Guy Kawasaki&#8217;s Alltop in the Writing Classroom (or, &quot;Goodbye, RSS&quot;): Check out this guide to using aggregates for education. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: JaO`s Blogg: Å bruke RSS</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/03/29/beyond-rss-using-alltopcom-to-teach-writing/#comment-3721</link>
		<dc:creator>JaO`s Blogg: Å bruke RSS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 12:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] for mine elever. Ikke alle tar denne tjenesten i bruk etter introduksjonen. Clay Burell har et innlegg på bloggen sin om bruk av RSS. Der nevner han verktøyet AllTop, som gir deg de 30 viktigste RSS-strømmene fra ulike kilder innen [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Ideas and Thoughts from an EdTech &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More Filtering. No not that kind of filtering.</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/03/29/beyond-rss-using-alltopcom-to-teach-writing/#comment-3053</link>
		<dc:creator>Ideas and Thoughts from an EdTech &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More Filtering. No not that kind of filtering.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 20:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about 1 out of every 400 posts I read. If more people did this, you&#8217;d quickly create an easier entry point for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] about 1 out of every 400 posts I read. If more people did this, you&#8217;d quickly create an easier entry point for [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Remiss63</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/03/29/beyond-rss-using-alltopcom-to-teach-writing/#comment-3000</link>
		<dc:creator>Remiss63</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 05:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a wonderful analysis of the current state of online interaction.  I've struggled with RSS feeds since their emergence.  I've never been one to thoroughly read or even browse everything I've marked; it would like require more than 24 hours a day!

I'm simultaneously interested and frustrated by Twitter.  Perhaps I haven't found the right group of friends yet.  There's no question I'm learning a great deal about things I've never previously explored, so for that reason it's compelling enough.

However, the constant distraction of on-going Twittering sometimes makes it difficult to concentrate and actually get some work done.  I truly wonder how others seem to have no problem posting Tweets every few minutes all the while attending meetings, conferences, visiting the spa, eating pizza, drinking beer, and generally goofing around.  Is it possible for us to actually live life and be present in it when we are constantly recording our every move in text, photographs, audio, video, podcasts, etc., etc.?  Is "living your life online" a mark of a creative, original individual making a difference in the world or someone willing to commit "ego-cide" as a contribution (read: sacrifice) to furthering digital culture?

I'll stop my rant and go check out &lt;a href="http://AllTop.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;AllTop.com&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh yes, one more thing . . . my impression from reading Guy Kawasaki's Tweets is that AllTop is intended to operate as a sort of moderated Wiki making use of the positive, worthwhile contributions of those willing and interested in doing so (i.e., Web 2.0).  As an alternative to the all-inclusive ever expanding (and sometimes unstable) nature of Wikipedia, he's creating a curated, high-quality guide to the Internet.  If it's successful, it will end up being a better guide to the Internet than Google (I was always a bit skeptical of the "popular" kids).

&lt;em&gt;Remiss63's last blog post..&lt;a href='http://remiss63.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-noguchi-kenmochi-book.html' rel="nofollow"&gt;New Noguchi-Kenmochi book&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a wonderful analysis of the current state of online interaction.  I&#8217;ve struggled with RSS feeds since their emergence.  I&#8217;ve never been one to thoroughly read or even browse everything I&#8217;ve marked; it would like require more than 24 hours a day!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m simultaneously interested and frustrated by Twitter.  Perhaps I haven&#8217;t found the right group of friends yet.  There&#8217;s no question I&#8217;m learning a great deal about things I&#8217;ve never previously explored, so for that reason it&#8217;s compelling enough.</p>
<p>However, the constant distraction of on-going Twittering sometimes makes it difficult to concentrate and actually get some work done.  I truly wonder how others seem to have no problem posting Tweets every few minutes all the while attending meetings, conferences, visiting the spa, eating pizza, drinking beer, and generally goofing around.  Is it possible for us to actually live life and be present in it when we are constantly recording our every move in text, photographs, audio, video, podcasts, etc., etc.?  Is &#8220;living your life online&#8221; a mark of a creative, original individual making a difference in the world or someone willing to commit &#8220;ego-cide&#8221; as a contribution (read: sacrifice) to furthering digital culture?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll stop my rant and go check out <a href="http://AllTop.com" rel="nofollow">AllTop.com</a>.</p>
<p>Oh yes, one more thing . . . my impression from reading Guy Kawasaki&#8217;s Tweets is that AllTop is intended to operate as a sort of moderated Wiki making use of the positive, worthwhile contributions of those willing and interested in doing so (i.e., Web 2.0).  As an alternative to the all-inclusive ever expanding (and sometimes unstable) nature of Wikipedia, he&#8217;s creating a curated, high-quality guide to the Internet.  If it&#8217;s successful, it will end up being a better guide to the Internet than Google (I was always a bit skeptical of the &#8220;popular&#8221; kids).</p>
<p><em>Remiss63&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://remiss63.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-noguchi-kenmochi-book.html' rel="nofollow">New Noguchi-Kenmochi book</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Of Little Pricks and April Fools &#124; Beyond School</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/03/29/beyond-rss-using-alltopcom-to-teach-writing/#comment-2869</link>
		<dc:creator>Of Little Pricks and April Fools &#124; Beyond School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this English teacher has posted little lessons this week about writing titles and good introductions, and about sentence variety, he&#8217;s going to have a bit of fun now posting about etiquette and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] this English teacher has posted little lessons this week about writing titles and good introductions, and about sentence variety, he&#8217;s going to have a bit of fun now posting about etiquette and [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/03/29/beyond-rss-using-alltopcom-to-teach-writing/#comment-2865</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the lesson plan. It has great application to the students (especially since they have blogs), and easily gets the point across.

I'm not sure Alltop can replace RSS, or even really be considered an RSS-lite. The benefit it may have is to introduce students to several blogs they like, which will invariably each introduce them to even more blogs they'll like, until eventually they can't remember all the blogs they want to check. They'll be driven into using RSS aggregators. 

I feel that if we want students to become digital consumers, Utilizing RSS feeds is something they need to be proficient in. However (as with most things introduced in school), it really takes their own motivation and interest to use it. A teacher telling students that they're required to use RSS aggregators doesn't have the same effect as students deciding to use aggregators.

Is the goal instead to have students read lots of online information? RSS aggregators really only serve a purpose if you're doing lots of online reading. If you're just checking out a few sites regularly there isn't much necessity for an aggregator.

&lt;em&gt;Ben's last blog post..&lt;a href='http://sustainablydigital.edublogs.org/2008/03/28/yes/' rel="nofollow"&gt;YES!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the lesson plan. It has great application to the students (especially since they have blogs), and easily gets the point across.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure Alltop can replace RSS, or even really be considered an RSS-lite. The benefit it may have is to introduce students to several blogs they like, which will invariably each introduce them to even more blogs they&#8217;ll like, until eventually they can&#8217;t remember all the blogs they want to check. They&#8217;ll be driven into using RSS aggregators. </p>
<p>I feel that if we want students to become digital consumers, Utilizing RSS feeds is something they need to be proficient in. However (as with most things introduced in school), it really takes their own motivation and interest to use it. A teacher telling students that they&#8217;re required to use RSS aggregators doesn&#8217;t have the same effect as students deciding to use aggregators.</p>
<p>Is the goal instead to have students read lots of online information? RSS aggregators really only serve a purpose if you&#8217;re doing lots of online reading. If you&#8217;re just checking out a few sites regularly there isn&#8217;t much necessity for an aggregator.</p>
<p><em>Ben&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://sustainablydigital.edublogs.org/2008/03/28/yes/' rel="nofollow">YES!</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Three Uses of Diigo in the History and Language Arts Classroom &#124; Beyond School</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/03/29/beyond-rss-using-alltopcom-to-teach-writing/#comment-2843</link>
		<dc:creator>Three Uses of Diigo in the History and Language Arts Classroom &#124; Beyond School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] automatically to del.icio.us), and highlight clips - all tagged, too. But just as I&#8217;ve had little luck getting students or colleagues to use feed aggregators, I&#8217;ve had no better luck getting them to switch on to the power of Diigo. So if you use any [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] automatically to del.icio.us), and highlight clips - all tagged, too. But just as I&#8217;ve had little luck getting students or colleagues to use feed aggregators, I&#8217;ve had no better luck getting them to switch on to the power of Diigo. So if you use any [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Using a Class Blog to Teach Sentence Variety &#124; Beyond School</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/03/29/beyond-rss-using-alltopcom-to-teach-writing/#comment-2821</link>
		<dc:creator>Using a Class Blog to Teach Sentence Variety &#124; Beyond School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sharing another quick writing exercise to follow up on the &#8220;titles and introductions&#8221; lesson using Alltop, since some writing teachers seemed to appreciate that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] sharing another quick writing exercise to follow up on the &#8220;titles and introductions&#8221; lesson using Alltop, since some writing teachers seemed to appreciate that [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Shareski</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/03/29/beyond-rss-using-alltopcom-to-teach-writing/#comment-2796</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Shareski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed about the back scratching but alltop is fairly explicit. I only link to beyond school if I think it's valuable, not because I owe anyone.

I really like your use with students, not to mention the writing exercise. But not sure I'd use it with teachers. But I see your point. Now get back to your honeymoon!

&lt;em&gt;Dean Shareski's last blog post..&lt;a href='http://ideasandthoughts.org/2008/03/27/diigo-you-have-given-me-a-headache/' rel="nofollow"&gt;Diigo you have given me a headache&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed about the back scratching but alltop is fairly explicit. I only link to beyond school if I think it&#8217;s valuable, not because I owe anyone.</p>
<p>I really like your use with students, not to mention the writing exercise. But not sure I&#8217;d use it with teachers. But I see your point. Now get back to your honeymoon!</p>
<p><em>Dean Shareski&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://ideasandthoughts.org/2008/03/27/diigo-you-have-given-me-a-headache/' rel="nofollow">Diigo you have given me a headache</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: diane</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2008/03/29/beyond-rss-using-alltopcom-to-teach-writing/#comment-2793</link>
		<dc:creator>diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now Clay, don't go all over defensive: of course we believe you that your motive was not self-promotion!

Yes, you can (and I do) connect to other blogs from places that you visit. And I love your LP for students, as an introduction to the concept of RSS.

Guess I'm just tired of having to water down tools and content for reluctant "professionals." 

The revolution has begun, the time is now! Wear water wings if you must, but dive in! Mixed metaphors, but you get the point. The desire to learn can't be mandated. If the teachers and administrators don't model it, where and how will our students acquire it?

The Dude abides, but he could use a little company here.

diane

&lt;em&gt;diane's last blog post..&lt;a href='http://dmcordell.blogspot.com/2008/03/confederacy-of-dunces.html' rel="nofollow"&gt;A Confederacy of Dunces&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now Clay, don&#8217;t go all over defensive: of course we believe you that your motive was not self-promotion!</p>
<p>Yes, you can (and I do) connect to other blogs from places that you visit. And I love your LP for students, as an introduction to the concept of RSS.</p>
<p>Guess I&#8217;m just tired of having to water down tools and content for reluctant &#8220;professionals.&#8221; </p>
<p>The revolution has begun, the time is now! Wear water wings if you must, but dive in! Mixed metaphors, but you get the point. The desire to learn can&#8217;t be mandated. If the teachers and administrators don&#8217;t model it, where and how will our students acquire it?</p>
<p>The Dude abides, but he could use a little company here.</p>
<p>diane</p>
<p><em>diane&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://dmcordell.blogspot.com/2008/03/confederacy-of-dunces.html' rel="nofollow">A Confederacy of Dunces</a></em></p>
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