Comments on: Calling Out the College Board and ETS: An Educators’ Campaign for 2008? http://beyond-school.org/2007/12/29/calling-out-the-college-board-an-educators-campaign-for-2008/ . . . and beyond "schooliness" - notes of a 20th c. teaching drop-out Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:23:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Louise Maine http://beyond-school.org/2007/12/29/calling-out-the-college-board-an-educators-campaign-for-2008/#comment-1452 Louise Maine Sat, 05 Jan 2008 16:27:44 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/2007/12/29/calling-out-the-college-board-an-educators-campaign-for-2008/#comment-1452 Not the same thing but pre-test scores to take certain high school classes were not an effective indicator of success. Sheer will and work ethic were better indicators. We have dropped the tests. The top-down model stifles so much - students and faculty. <em>Louise Maine's last blog post..<a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/HurricaneMaine/~3/211177560/real-model.html' rel="nofollow">A real model?</a></em> Not the same thing but pre-test scores to take certain high school classes were not an effective indicator of success. Sheer will and work ethic were better indicators. We have dropped the tests.

The top-down model stifles so much - students and faculty.

Louise Maine’s last blog post..A real model?

]]> By: Social Networking as Political Activism for Education | Beyond School http://beyond-school.org/2007/12/29/calling-out-the-college-board-an-educators-campaign-for-2008/#comment-1364 Social Networking as Political Activism for Education | Beyond School Tue, 01 Jan 2008 15:29:10 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/2007/12/29/calling-out-the-college-board-an-educators-campaign-for-2008/#comment-1364 [...] far, my post about it has been met with silence. That doesn’t mean I’m wrong, to me; it just means either the right people [...] [...] far, my post about it has been met with silence. That doesn’t mean I’m wrong, to me; it just means either the right people [...]

]]> By: Weblogg-ed » Some New Years’ Dreaming http://beyond-school.org/2007/12/29/calling-out-the-college-board-an-educators-campaign-for-2008/#comment-1323 Weblogg-ed » Some New Years’ Dreaming Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:56:33 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/2007/12/29/calling-out-the-college-board-an-educators-campaign-for-2008/#comment-1323 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] you nail it so well. While I don’t claim this idea for exposing the damning effects of all the educational interest groups - ETS, College Board, [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] you nail it so well. While I don’t claim this idea for exposing the damning effects of all the educational interest groups - ETS, College Board, [...]

]]> By: Bill Fitzgerald http://beyond-school.org/2007/12/29/calling-out-the-college-board-an-educators-campaign-for-2008/#comment-1322 Bill Fitzgerald Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:05:45 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/2007/12/29/calling-out-the-college-board-an-educators-campaign-for-2008/#comment-1322 Hello, Clay, I started a reply here, but it morphed into its own post -- http://openacademic.org/news/why-not-boycott-the-sat FWIW, I like your idea of the coordinated bookmark -- @ Diane: Malcolm Gladwell has an article from December, 2001 in the New Yorker -- the article looks at Stanley Kaplan, and references a study completed by UC that identifies the AP as having some predictive validity wrt GPA, but the SAT has virtually no predictive validity at all. It's also worth noting that GPA does not equate to happiness -- the article is here: http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2001/12/17/011217crat_atlarge Cheers, Bill Hello, Clay,

I started a reply here, but it morphed into its own post — http://openacademic.org/news/why-not-boycott-the-sat

FWIW, I like your idea of the coordinated bookmark —

@ Diane: Malcolm Gladwell has an article from December, 2001 in the New Yorker — the article looks at Stanley Kaplan, and references a study completed by UC that identifies the AP as having some predictive validity wrt GPA, but the SAT has virtually no predictive validity at all.

It’s also worth noting that GPA does not equate to happiness — the article is here: http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2001/12/17/011217crat_atlarge

Cheers,

Bill

]]> By: Clay Burell http://beyond-school.org/2007/12/29/calling-out-the-college-board-an-educators-campaign-for-2008/#comment-1315 Clay Burell Sun, 30 Dec 2007 04:30:41 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/2007/12/29/calling-out-the-college-board-an-educators-campaign-for-2008/#comment-1315 Hi Diane, I can see I'm going to have to hone this message, based on the underwhelming lack of response *sigh*. Thanks for yours, as usual :) Here's the idea: we edubloggers who are linked in the twitter networks write a post every so often - once a week? every two weeks? month? (I like weekly) - that targets a single brick in the wall. Then we all, in the same type of concentrated twitter-del.icio.us (and we can add Digg and other services) blitz that catapulted Students 2.0 into the spotlight, bookmark that post at a scheduled time. BAM. One nice blow squarely on that brick. It could be college admissions policy one week, SAT the next week, AP the next week, network filtering the next week, over and over. The beauty? It's not labor-intensive. (More and more I'm seeing that it's edublogger laziness that keeps us from being as much of a force for change as we could be. And I include my own click-finger laziness in that accusation, for the record.) Am I making any sense at all? I think so. I'm not expecting magic bullets or instant change. But by constantly exerting pressure, who knows what effects this might have over time? Hi Diane,

I can see I’m going to have to hone this message, based on the underwhelming lack of response *sigh*. Thanks for yours, as usual :)

Here’s the idea: we edubloggers who are linked in the twitter networks write a post every so often - once a week? every two weeks? month? (I like weekly) - that targets a single brick in the wall.

Then we all, in the same type of concentrated twitter-del.icio.us (and we can add Digg and other services) blitz that catapulted Students 2.0 into the spotlight, bookmark that post at a scheduled time.

BAM. One nice blow squarely on that brick.

It could be college admissions policy one week, SAT the next week, AP the next week, network filtering the next week, over and over.

The beauty? It’s not labor-intensive. (More and more I’m seeing that it’s edublogger laziness that keeps us from being as much of a force for change as we could be. And I include my own click-finger laziness in that accusation, for the record.)

Am I making any sense at all? I think so. I’m not expecting magic bullets or instant change. But by constantly exerting pressure, who knows what effects this might have over time?

]]> By: diane http://beyond-school.org/2007/12/29/calling-out-the-college-board-an-educators-campaign-for-2008/#comment-1305 diane Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:17:17 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/2007/12/29/calling-out-the-college-board-an-educators-campaign-for-2008/#comment-1305 Clay, So much of our world works on the top down model. If only some influential colleges and universities would come out with a statement that they no longer consider SATs and ACTs, the lower level schools would follow like lemmings, go down like dominoes...you get the picture. Until that happens, worried parents will always be pushing their students - and school districts - towards the high stakes, high anxiety testing. Are there any studies that correlate success in college and/or in life with test scores? Just wondering. diane Clay,

So much of our world works on the top down model.

If only some influential colleges and universities would come out with a statement that they no longer consider SATs and ACTs, the lower level schools would follow like lemmings, go down like dominoes…you get the picture.

Until that happens, worried parents will always be pushing their students - and school districts - towards the high stakes, high anxiety testing.

Are there any studies that correlate success in college and/or in life with test scores? Just wondering.

diane

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