On the Stager and Richardson UStream “Bootleg”

If you’ve got an hour to burn, you might enjoy watching Will Richardson and Gary Stager in this moderated keynote discussion at NYSCATE recently. (h/t to David Jakes for “bootlegging” it with his laptop for UStream.)

Stager’s skepticism about much of the edublogosphere discourse is a healthy corrective for the “cheerleader 2.0″ bandwagon we’re all riding to some degree.

Highlights for me included, at 16 minutes, one of the two mentioning that “there are no models of good student blogging” to set a standard (my frame, not theirs) for the use of blogs in literacy development. The launch, now one short week away (knock wood), of the new “Students 2.0” edublog featuring Kevin Walter (Chicago), Anthony Chivetta (St. Louis), “Arthus Erea” (Vermont), Sean “the Bassplayer” Law (UK), Nicole Kim (Korea), Stacy Zheng (New York), Lindsey (Hawaii), and Dillon Decicio (Washington State) will hopefully serve as one such model. And while the jury is still out on the “visionary classroom blogging” project with my own seniors, it’s only two months old – and any project worth its salt will always face obstacles, challenges, and bumps. Good connective bloggers aren’t built in a day.

At 28 minutes, Stager nails the pitfalls of most (American, as he points out, as opposed to more enlightened Australian) approaches to 1:1 staff development. Stager’s opinion that teachers should be trained to experience the tools and procedures – the types of learning – their students will be expected to practice in the classroom encouraged me to continue my own recent attempts in that direction, such as the so-far-underwhelming experiments I’ve done this week with digital storytelling. (I’m so glad I didn’t inflict this on my students. I would have, had I not tried it first.)

At 42 minutes (part of a topic concerning teaching computer programming as a basic, core subject), Stager wins the “quote of the day” award by saying (and I paraphrase),

It’s like somebody decided that all students would not be required to learn to program the machine that will dominate their futures, but would be required to learn to write a haiku. When was that meeting? :)

(Another Stager quotable: “Instead of the machine programming the students, why not the students programming the machine?” In that connection, I’ll note that the only students I’ve literally paid by the hour for their valuable knowledge were a couple of the Students 2.0 contributors, who gave me some lessons on SSH shell commands and other server administration points that no adults in my network could give. I’ve never offered students money to tell me the third longest river in the world, by comparison – or to write me a haiku.)

At 49 minutes, an interesting discussion begins on “hitting a wall as a blogger.” There’s a lot of that happening around the e’sphere these last few months. It points to the fact that we are all not only theorists or researchers, but are also part of the data itself. We seem to have reached a point of possible burn-out, over-heating, or bubble-bursting in our 2.0 evangelizing and experimenting. If it’s happening to us, what are the implications for our classrooms? (Any of you notice how frequently the top tier bloggers, for example, don’t respond to comments on their blogs, thus arguably violating the “blogging as conversation” pact implicit in the act of blogging?)

At 59.30, Stager expresses his frustration that few people seem to be “moving the ball further down the field.” I don’t know if that’s fair, but will say that I, for one, don’t feel much need for the raft of “a million tools” type catalogues that we’re seeing so much of. As Alan November pointed out in Shanghai back in October, this approach is mere “snapshots of an avalanche,” since 28,000 new applications are in development as I write. Here’s to subscribing to sites like Mashable and Kollabora for those bulletins, and reading more edublog posts about attempts to “move the ball forward” in our classrooms.

It was good, finally, to see Thomas Friedman taken down a notch. Again, Stager:

Friedman wrote the book. We bought it.

(And I’ve railed more than once about our catastrophically myopic framing of education and our students’ futures in Friedman’s economic terms – it’s all about more competition, bread-winning, and consumerism, and not a lick about citizenship and environmental stewardship. Karl Fisch et. al.‘s otherwise compelling “Did You Know” needs a re-mix to expand that frame accordingly.)

Anybody who could have such a pathetic grasp of foreign policy as Freidman – read his “Iraq: Suck. On. This.” of 2002 (and thanks for selling the American Left on the invasion of Iraq, Tommy-boy), or his latest bit of idiocy, the “Obama/Cheney” ticket idea – should have his edublogger idol status revoked. No, on second thought, invading Iran – as Friedman wants us to keep as a close-at-hand “solution” in case Iran chooses its own sovereignty over American demands – is just what the US educational system needs. It must be true, because Tom says so.

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6 Responses to “On the Stager and Richardson UStream “Bootleg””

  1. diane writes:

    Clay,

    I haven’t watched the UStream yet, but will leave a quick comment on two of your points.

    First, I think that some of the “blogger burnout” is due to frustration at the lack of interest shown by many of our colleagues in exploring all the tools we are so excited about. One can only be a voice in the wilderness for just so long… And some of our conversations are getting stale because we’re mainly communicating with people who are already convinced of the value of what we “preach”.

    Secondly, I do feel excluded by some of those “top tier” edubloggers you mention. If they won’t respond to comments in their blog and don’t choose to follow me on Twitter, our “conversation” never gets started, and I’m left feeling out of sorts and out of the loop.

    I’ll refrain from commenting on the rest of your posting until I have time to listen and judge for myself.

    After all, “A LITTLE knowledge is a dangerous thing.”

    diane

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  2. Cathy Nelson writes:

    Clay and Diane –Diane has made some VERY valid points w/o even watching yet. Kudos Diane.

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  4. Chris Watson writes:

    Also wanted to comment on the “burnout.” I do get burned out talking about tools. There are tons. And they’ll be more, and they’ll be cooler. Today, my I assigned a project that has groups of students creating multimedia reading resources for The Woman Warrior (2-3 pages for each group; it’s wonderfully dense). The first step was a brainstorm, then a statement of vision for their project. I found I had to continue to tell them not to think “We want to do a Comic Life project,” but to think more like “We want to create a comic book with photos and dialog.” Concept first then the tool. I think that’s also a fundamental issue for 1:1 school professional development. Instead, what’s motivating my own blogging are the instructional possibilities afforded by technology as a concept. I find myself blogging about what’s happening in my class; the technology part is means. And that brings me to the question of privacy that probably all our respective schools are dealing with. If we really want to talk about instruction, we’re going to want to share student outcomes and examples on our blogs…BTW I haven’t watched the video yet either.

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  5. Clay Burell writes:

    Hi Chris,
    I’m so glad the parents and admin at my school see publication as a positive thing. All the parents in my senior class gave consent to full name, picture, video, self-moderation of comments – in other words, of treating their young adults like young adults.

    As for the tools thing – yeah, jeez, we can only use so many in a year anyway. Jumping from one to the other is like eating a twenty-course meal by swallowing each dish whole. We need to digest more slowly. I’m still trying to hone my blogging approach from last year, for example.

    Gotta run, as always.

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  6. Clay Burell writes:

    Diane, sorry for the late reply. Chris’ comment here points to where I wish we’d take our blogging even amongst ourselves – to how the new practices are looking as we explore them in the classroom.

    Unfortunately, many people who blog about the tools are not teachers, so they can’t rise from theory to practice. The theory is nice and all, but again, we pretty much get it – and get how infinite the variations can be. What we need is snapshots of how those variations are playing out in our classrooms.

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