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		<title>By: On the Stager and Richardson UStream "Bootleg" &#124; Beyond School</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/11/22/doing-as-i-say-digital-storytelling-imovie-practice-with-paradise-lost/#comment-960</link>
		<dc:creator>On the Stager and Richardson UStream "Bootleg" &#124; Beyond School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 21:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] me to continue my own recent attempts in that direction, such as the so-far-underwhelming experiments I&#8217;ve done this week with digital storytelling. (I&#8217;m so glad I didn&#8217;t inflict this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] me to continue my own recent attempts in that direction, such as the so-far-underwhelming experiments I&#8217;ve done this week with digital storytelling. (I&#8217;m so glad I didn&#8217;t inflict this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Milton Book 4: Here Come the Movies! - KIS AP Lit 07-08</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milton Book 4: Here Come the Movies! - KIS AP Lit 07-08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Reply by Clay Burell 1 day ago &#160;   Thanks, John.  See this post on my blog for a discussion with several people around the world about this experiment.  The short [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Paradise Lost Digital Storytelling Series: Second Try &#124; Beyond School</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paradise Lost Digital Storytelling Series: Second Try &#124; Beyond School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - Our Students Our Worlds on Notes on Warlick&#8217;s Keynote, Second ViewingClay Burell on Doing as I Say: Digital Storytelling iMovie Practice with Paradise LostAnn O on Doing as I Say: Digital Storytelling iMovie Practice with Paradise [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/11/22/doing-as-i-say-digital-storytelling-imovie-practice-with-paradise-lost/#comment-907</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 04:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean, good feedback, thanks. I wondered about the scrolling too. The subtitle option is better, I agree - but my god, think of the additional time-load synching the text to the voice, line by line!

Chris, your questions echo mine. Is the time invested worth the learning returned? A good question for students.

Ann, thanks too :) I did the scrolling text for the reason you mention: to model how M's incredibly inverted syntax can make so much more sense when &lt;i&gt;read aloud&lt;/i&gt;, emphasizing the syntactic elements vocally to make sense of the whole.

I agree about reading aloud/hearing literature: especially epic poetry.  I'd love to hook up with other English or speech teachers (hint, hint) and develop a collaborative library of student readings of these things. We could manage it by a two-column list of "perfected" versus "needs new submission" entries, by Book:Lines, for example, so that the high-quality student submissions are true "product," while those of lower quality sort of "fill in" until a better performer comes along.

That would be cool!

Thanks all :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean, good feedback, thanks. I wondered about the scrolling too. The subtitle option is better, I agree - but my god, think of the additional time-load synching the text to the voice, line by line!</p>
<p>Chris, your questions echo mine. Is the time invested worth the learning returned? A good question for students.</p>
<p>Ann, thanks too <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> I did the scrolling text for the reason you mention: to model how M&#8217;s incredibly inverted syntax can make so much more sense when <i>read aloud</i>, emphasizing the syntactic elements vocally to make sense of the whole.</p>
<p>I agree about reading aloud/hearing literature: especially epic poetry.  I&#8217;d love to hook up with other English or speech teachers (hint, hint) and develop a collaborative library of student readings of these things. We could manage it by a two-column list of &#8220;perfected&#8221; versus &#8220;needs new submission&#8221; entries, by Book:Lines, for example, so that the high-quality student submissions are true &#8220;product,&#8221; while those of lower quality sort of &#8220;fill in&#8221; until a better performer comes along.</p>
<p>That would be cool!</p>
<p>Thanks all <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Ann O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 03:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like what you created.  It is much better to view it as a tiny picture on your blog than the google video page.  It was too blurry there.  Everything is stretched out of proportion and the words are hard to read.

On the blog, the words are fine.  It was interesting to compare how it reads versus how it is written with the line markers included in the text.  I'd keep the text for comparison purposes.

I am guessing that it took you six hours including recording and scanning images.  As the school's computer teacher, I appreciate that you took the time to figure out what it might take as a student.  For some kids, you'd probably have to triple the time frame.

This would make works such as yours,  The Canterbury Tales, or Dante's Inferno so much more accessible.  I know the college professor made the stories so much better by reading parts to us back when I was nineteen or so.

Great job!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like what you created.  It is much better to view it as a tiny picture on your blog than the google video page.  It was too blurry there.  Everything is stretched out of proportion and the words are hard to read.</p>
<p>On the blog, the words are fine.  It was interesting to compare how it reads versus how it is written with the line markers included in the text.  I&#8217;d keep the text for comparison purposes.</p>
<p>I am guessing that it took you six hours including recording and scanning images.  As the school&#8217;s computer teacher, I appreciate that you took the time to figure out what it might take as a student.  For some kids, you&#8217;d probably have to triple the time frame.</p>
<p>This would make works such as yours,  The Canterbury Tales, or Dante&#8217;s Inferno so much more accessible.  I know the college professor made the stories so much better by reading parts to us back when I was nineteen or so.</p>
<p>Great job!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clay, I recently assigned a 5 minute digital storytelling assignment. It went with our reading of The Odyssey and centered around the idea of home. The students drafted essays after an inspirational visit from Chang-Rae Lee, then collected photos, then worked in either Garageband or iMovie. I think I ended up giving them something like 2 weeks start to finish. After that, we started to watch 3 or so in each class. I had a few students who refused to be done until it was perfect and some that were satisfied with a slideshow and bad audio. For the most part though, it's felt like the culminating project of the semester, even though I meant it to be just one of several projects. But I felt like it was worth while for them and me, and I loved having them turn them in to my video iPod. What about you? Do you think it's a worthwhile exchange of time for learning?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clay, I recently assigned a 5 minute digital storytelling assignment. It went with our reading of The Odyssey and centered around the idea of home. The students drafted essays after an inspirational visit from Chang-Rae Lee, then collected photos, then worked in either Garageband or iMovie. I think I ended up giving them something like 2 weeks start to finish. After that, we started to watch 3 or so in each class. I had a few students who refused to be done until it was perfect and some that were satisfied with a slideshow and bad audio. For the most part though, it&#8217;s felt like the culminating project of the semester, even though I meant it to be just one of several projects. But I felt like it was worth while for them and me, and I loved having them turn them in to my video iPod. What about you? Do you think it&#8217;s a worthwhile exchange of time for learning?</p>
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		<title>By: Bud Hunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clay,

  Thanks for taking a risk for the sake of learning!  I am amazed at how many educators will assign this type of work with little to no experience with it themselves.  I'm glad you're willing to eat your own dog food, as we all should be.  I wasn't bothered by the text - although I'm an English major - so I'm probably biased in your defense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clay,</p>
<p>  Thanks for taking a risk for the sake of learning!  I am amazed at how many educators will assign this type of work with little to no experience with it themselves.  I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re willing to eat your own dog food, as we all should be.  I wasn&#8217;t bothered by the text - although I&#8217;m an English major - so I&#8217;m probably biased in your defense.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Shareski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean Shareski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You've got a great voice and love the audio effects both the echo effect and the wind.  

Just wondering about the use of text.  From my perspective I'd rather have no text or perhaps more like a closed captioned format on the lower third. I was a bit distracted. Your voice was compelling enough for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve got a great voice and love the audio effects both the echo effect and the wind.  </p>
<p>Just wondering about the use of text.  From my perspective I&#8217;d rather have no text or perhaps more like a closed captioned format on the lower third. I was a bit distracted. Your voice was compelling enough for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks :)

One of the great values of PL for AP Lit exam is the flood of allusions to Biblical and Pagan mythology.  Milton's rebel army is peopled with the likes of Beelzebub, Belial, Moloch, Mammon, and others. And Milton, of course, demonizes all the pagan gods by literally making them, well, demons also. So Apollo wears horns in Milton's vision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>One of the great values of PL for AP Lit exam is the flood of allusions to Biblical and Pagan mythology.  Milton&#8217;s rebel army is peopled with the likes of Beelzebub, Belial, Moloch, Mammon, and others. And Milton, of course, demonizes all the pagan gods by literally making them, well, demons also. So Apollo wears horns in Milton&#8217;s vision.</p>
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		<title>By: diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clay,

The combination of sound, text, and graphics was perfect for my learning style and would probably accommodate many different types of learners (auditory, visual, kinetic, etc.). The somber pictures perfectly suited the dark lines of poetry.

I have to say that it is probably more effective with a male voice, though I'm sure some of your  theatrically-gifted female students could do quite a credible job.

I would have guessed two hours to complete the clip, knowing how technically adept you are. Seven hours means I'd be at it for days! Yes, this is something teachers need to consider when giving assignments, as well as the level of access the students have to necessary tools at school and at home.

One little aside: have you ever discussed some of the titles for Satan/the Devil and what type of image they convey? I'm much more partial to the misguided, valiant, tormented Lucifer ("light-bearer") than the nasty, destructive Beelzebub ("Lord of the Flies"). 

diane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clay,</p>
<p>The combination of sound, text, and graphics was perfect for my learning style and would probably accommodate many different types of learners (auditory, visual, kinetic, etc.). The somber pictures perfectly suited the dark lines of poetry.</p>
<p>I have to say that it is probably more effective with a male voice, though I&#8217;m sure some of your  theatrically-gifted female students could do quite a credible job.</p>
<p>I would have guessed two hours to complete the clip, knowing how technically adept you are. Seven hours means I&#8217;d be at it for days! Yes, this is something teachers need to consider when giving assignments, as well as the level of access the students have to necessary tools at school and at home.</p>
<p>One little aside: have you ever discussed some of the titles for Satan/the Devil and what type of image they convey? I&#8217;m much more partial to the misguided, valiant, tormented Lucifer (&#8221;light-bearer&#8221;) than the nasty, destructive Beelzebub (&#8221;Lord of the Flies&#8221;). </p>
<p>diane</p>
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