Comments on: “Blogger-Training School” for a Student “Blogging License”: A Silver Bullet? http://beyond-school.org/2007/11/12/blogger-training-school-for-a-student-blogging-license-a-silver-bullet/ . . . and beyond "schooliness" - notes of a 20th c. teaching drop-out Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:28:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Claire http://beyond-school.org/2007/11/12/blogger-training-school-for-a-student-blogging-license-a-silver-bullet/#comment-1181 Claire Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:51:49 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/2007/11/12/blogger-training-school-for-a-student-blogging-license-a-silver-bullet/#comment-1181 I would definitely be up for developing a training course. Be warned; I am a neophyte both when it comes to blogging and wikis. Hopefully my enthusiasm will make up for it :-) I work part-time so time is not as big an issue for me. I would definitely be up for developing a training course. Be warned; I am a neophyte both when it comes to blogging and wikis. Hopefully my enthusiasm will make up for it :-)

I work part-time so time is not as big an issue for me.

]]> By: diane http://beyond-school.org/2007/11/12/blogger-training-school-for-a-student-blogging-license-a-silver-bullet/#comment-1178 diane Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:10:52 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/2007/11/12/blogger-training-school-for-a-student-blogging-license-a-silver-bullet/#comment-1178 Clay, Thanks for the heads up re. my address - think it's O.K. now. I have some time off for Christmas, then a winter break for a week in February - some "play time" is there's collaborative project in the cards. Let me know. I'm a late-bloomer...but enthusiastic! diane Clay,

Thanks for the heads up re. my address - think it’s O.K. now.

I have some time off for Christmas, then a winter break for a week in February - some “play time” is there’s collaborative project in the cards.

Let me know. I’m a late-bloomer…but enthusiastic!

diane

]]> By: Clay Burell http://beyond-school.org/2007/11/12/blogger-training-school-for-a-student-blogging-license-a-silver-bullet/#comment-1174 Clay Burell Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:46:01 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/2007/11/12/blogger-training-school-for-a-student-blogging-license-a-silver-bullet/#comment-1174 That's what I love about Diane and Doug and others - they take the trouble to push things further :) Claire and all, maybe we should see if we can take this idea and, without agonizing over it and turning it into a months-long "death by committee" type of thing, see if we can bang out a working "Training Course" on a wiki or something? Would be fun. I'm doing it in my current class on the fly (see other posts since this one), and would love to have something workable to avoid repeating the impromptu dance. Time is such a bear for a teacher, isn't it? That’s what I love about Diane and Doug and others - they take the trouble to push things further :)

Claire and all, maybe we should see if we can take this idea and, without agonizing over it and turning it into a months-long “death by committee” type of thing, see if we can bang out a working “Training Course” on a wiki or something?

Would be fun.

I’m doing it in my current class on the fly (see other posts since this one), and would love to have something workable to avoid repeating the impromptu dance.

Time is such a bear for a teacher, isn’t it?

]]> By: Claire http://beyond-school.org/2007/11/12/blogger-training-school-for-a-student-blogging-license-a-silver-bullet/#comment-1173 Claire Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:30:09 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/2007/11/12/blogger-training-school-for-a-student-blogging-license-a-silver-bullet/#comment-1173 What a great conversation! I love the driving analogy and the guidelines that Diane has suggested. We wouldn't let someone drive a car without instructing them on how to properly operate their vehicle to keep themselves and others from harm. Likewise, is would be unfair to encourage students to start blogging without giving them the rules of the road to keep themselves and others from harm. Unlike driving, many students have never even visited a blog, while most have ridden in a car, know at least theoretically how to operate one and know many of the key rules of the road. "Blogger Training School" is definitely needed! Claire What a great conversation! I love the driving analogy and the guidelines that Diane has suggested. We wouldn’t let someone drive a car without instructing them on how to properly operate their vehicle to keep themselves and others from harm. Likewise, is would be unfair to encourage students to start blogging without giving them the rules of the road to keep themselves and others from harm.

Unlike driving, many students have never even visited a blog, while most have ridden in a car, know at least theoretically how to operate one and know many of the key rules of the road. “Blogger Training School” is definitely needed!

Claire

]]> By: diane http://beyond-school.org/2007/11/12/blogger-training-school-for-a-student-blogging-license-a-silver-bullet/#comment-738 diane Sun, 11 Nov 2007 22:14:09 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/2007/11/12/blogger-training-school-for-a-student-blogging-license-a-silver-bullet/#comment-738 Clay, From a prior email: "Jo McLeay has posted about targeting teachers who express an interest in blogging rather than trying to convince the entire faculty at one go. Joyce Valenza made a similar comment at her presentation yesterday about concentrating efforts to achieve some early successes that might convince others to follow suit. I know that the blog is an essential tool in your AP Lit class. Could you offer an elective or independent study option for those who see the potential and went to continue blogging...have a discussion group, compare experiences, show there where and how to find postings worth commenting on (adding to their RSS feeds, etc.). If parents want web visibility, this might be an easy sell, especially if students become web presences, like the infamous Arthus. Boy, it's a lot more fun interacting with you and your students than it is teaching in a district (basically a state) where kids can't even have email at school! Can't wait to retire and go at this from a different angle, as someone facilitating for people who want to acquire these skills! Keep fighting the good fight!" Bonus: I just saw a magazine ad that might be apropos. Scanned it to flickr, shortened the address at TinyURL...isn't technology grand! http://tinyurl.com/2rsopf Substitute "cyber safety" for "defensive driving" and it works perfectly! diane Clay,

From a prior email:

“Jo McLeay has posted about targeting teachers who express an interest in blogging rather than trying to convince the entire faculty at one go. Joyce Valenza made a similar comment at her presentation yesterday about concentrating efforts to achieve some early successes that might convince others to follow suit.

I know that the blog is an essential tool in your AP Lit class. Could you offer an elective or independent study option for those who see the potential and went to continue blogging…have a discussion group, compare experiences, show there where and how to find postings worth commenting on (adding to their RSS feeds, etc.). If parents want web visibility, this might be an easy sell, especially if students become web presences, like the infamous Arthus.

Boy, it’s a lot more fun interacting with you and your students than it is teaching in a district (basically a state) where kids can’t even have email at school! Can’t wait to retire and go at this from a different angle, as someone facilitating for people who want to acquire these skills!

Keep fighting the good fight!”

Bonus: I just saw a magazine ad that might be apropos. Scanned it to flickr, shortened the address at TinyURL…isn’t technology grand!
http://tinyurl.com/2rsopf

Substitute “cyber safety” for “defensive driving” and it works perfectly!

diane

]]> By: Doug Noon http://beyond-school.org/2007/11/12/blogger-training-school-for-a-student-blogging-license-a-silver-bullet/#comment-737 Doug Noon Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:51:18 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/2007/11/12/blogger-training-school-for-a-student-blogging-license-a-silver-bullet/#comment-737 This is fun. Clay, you're right about the "problem blogger" being the rare exception. Your examples of the issues that might come up were more extreme than the ones I had in mind. Sorry I didn't provide any details, but I was thinking more about the use of profanity and other maybe incidental forms of self expression considered not-p0lite in middle class school culture. Of course, the list may vary depending on local conditions. What Diane suggests is to develop a list of social norms for blogging. It's an excellent way to look at it. And it could be done as a group exercise. My own teenagers at home have recently expressed interest in blogging, and this is the approach I'd take with them if they ever decided to go for it. Just being curious, do students have the option to not-blog? I'm full of questions, aren't I? ;) This is fun. Clay, you’re right about the “problem blogger” being the rare exception. Your examples of the issues that might come up were more extreme than the ones I had in mind. Sorry I didn’t provide any details, but I was thinking more about the use of profanity and other maybe incidental forms of self expression considered not-p0lite in middle class school culture. Of course, the list may vary depending on local conditions.

What Diane suggests is to develop a list of social norms for blogging. It’s an excellent way to look at it. And it could be done as a group exercise. My own teenagers at home have recently expressed interest in blogging, and this is the approach I’d take with them if they ever decided to go for it.

Just being curious, do students have the option to not-blog?

I’m full of questions, aren’t I? ;)

]]> By: diane http://beyond-school.org/2007/11/12/blogger-training-school-for-a-student-blogging-license-a-silver-bullet/#comment-734 diane Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:48:24 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/2007/11/12/blogger-training-school-for-a-student-blogging-license-a-silver-bullet/#comment-734 Clay, I love the collaboration! Wish I could be a full-time think tank-innovation- dreaming resource person. Blogging lets me somewhat approximate that. Imagine if we were brainstorming via snail mail! Of course, if that were the case, teachers in upstate New York and Korea would never have been aware of each other's existence. Think of the opportunities lost in our own student days. I'll have to live forever to make it up! diane Clay,

I love the collaboration! Wish I could be a full-time think tank-innovation- dreaming resource person. Blogging lets me somewhat approximate that.

Imagine if we were brainstorming via snail mail! Of course, if that were the case, teachers in upstate New York and Korea would never have been aware of each other’s existence. Think of the opportunities lost in our own student days. I’ll have to live forever to make it up!

diane

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