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	<title>Comments on: A Comment Thread Worth Sharing: Ninging vis-a-vis Blogging, Staff Development 2.0 Approaches</title>
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		<title>By: Teaching Generation Z &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Twitter and Blogger&#8217;s Block</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/10/01/a-comment-thread-worth-sharing-ninging-vis-a-vis-blogging-staff-development-20-approaches/comment-page-1/#comment-645</link>
		<dc:creator>Teaching Generation Z &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Twitter and Blogger&#8217;s Block</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 20:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Borderland &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Iterations Toward Irrelevance on Twitter and Blogger&#039;s BlockA Comment Thread Worth Sharing: Ninging vis-a-vis Blogging, Staff Development 2.0 Approaches &#124; Beyon... on BYO NetworksPaul Wilkinson on CogDogTweetPaula on 20 Years AgoGraham Wegner on CogDogTweetJohn [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Sylvia Martinez</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/10/01/a-comment-thread-worth-sharing-ninging-vis-a-vis-blogging-staff-development-20-approaches/comment-page-1/#comment-582</link>
		<dc:creator>Sylvia Martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, I get the difference - but what pedagogical consequences do you mean? (I&#039;m not being snarky here, I really do want to  know what you think.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Do you just mean logistical stuff like the ease of aggregating things? I know you aren&#039;t arguing a &quot;purist&quot; point of view that blogs are some higher form of enlightenment... except our blogs, of course ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, I get the difference &#8211; but what pedagogical consequences do you mean? (I&#8217;m not being snarky here, I really do want to  know what you think.)</p>
<p>Do you just mean logistical stuff like the ease of aggregating things? I know you aren&#8217;t arguing a &#8220;purist&#8221; point of view that blogs are some higher form of enlightenment&#8230; except our blogs, of course <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/10/01/a-comment-thread-worth-sharing-ninging-vis-a-vis-blogging-staff-development-20-approaches/comment-page-1/#comment-579</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 02:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sylvia, your point about the &quot;democratic&quot; quality control of &quot;most comments&quot; (or whatever that preference setting is) is well-taken. So is the rest of your comment :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think I should&#039;ve been more careful about making the question seem either/or, when obviously &quot;or both&quot; is a good option as well.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Again, though, I&#039;m still concerned about the pedagogical consequences of leading teachers to think that they &quot;get&quot; blogging because they&#039;re &quot;ninging.&quot; The two just aren&#039;t the same. And I fear teachers won&#039;t realize that if Ning is presented as blogging.  And the consequences downstream, in the classroom, would be less ideal.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;An open question - thanks for keeping it that way :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sylvia, your point about the &#8220;democratic&#8221; quality control of &#8220;most comments&#8221; (or whatever that preference setting is) is well-taken. So is the rest of your comment <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think I should&#8217;ve been more careful about making the question seem either/or, when obviously &#8220;or both&#8221; is a good option as well.</p>
<p>Again, though, I&#8217;m still concerned about the pedagogical consequences of leading teachers to think that they &#8220;get&#8221; blogging because they&#8217;re &#8220;ninging.&#8221; The two just aren&#8217;t the same. And I fear teachers won&#8217;t realize that if Ning is presented as blogging.  And the consequences downstream, in the classroom, would be less ideal.</p>
<p>An open question &#8211; thanks for keeping it that way <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sylvia Martinez</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/10/01/a-comment-thread-worth-sharing-ninging-vis-a-vis-blogging-staff-development-20-approaches/comment-page-1/#comment-577</link>
		<dc:creator>Sylvia Martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 00:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m wondering why people think Ning users are newcomers. Maybe it&#039;s just that there are lots of newcomers asking the same questions who never get heard anywhere else. They are just more visible.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I find the Ning threaded discussions very effective, much better than chronological comments on a blog post. And it just seems more democratic. Whatever gets comments rises to the top. With a blog, the blog owner decides when to post something new and the comments sink into oblivion. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;d also hesitate to split your group into fearless (vs. fearful) based on their choice of blog vs. a Ning group.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I guess I don&#039;t see a problem with people getting online where there are other people to interact with. Why make them blog to the empty air just to prove a point.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If they get the urge, they can try something else. They may decide to run their own Ning site, start a wiki, or become a twitter-er. Hopefully, if they&#039;ve gained something from a Ning group, they won&#039;t leave it - they need to be the experts for the next bunch of newcomers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering why people think Ning users are newcomers. Maybe it&#8217;s just that there are lots of newcomers asking the same questions who never get heard anywhere else. They are just more visible.</p>
<p>I find the Ning threaded discussions very effective, much better than chronological comments on a blog post. And it just seems more democratic. Whatever gets comments rises to the top. With a blog, the blog owner decides when to post something new and the comments sink into oblivion. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d also hesitate to split your group into fearless (vs. fearful) based on their choice of blog vs. a Ning group.</p>
<p>I guess I don&#8217;t see a problem with people getting online where there are other people to interact with. Why make them blog to the empty air just to prove a point.</p>
<p>If they get the urge, they can try something else. They may decide to run their own Ning site, start a wiki, or become a twitter-er. Hopefully, if they&#8217;ve gained something from a Ning group, they won&#8217;t leave it &#8211; they need to be the experts for the next bunch of newcomers.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Christopherson</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/10/01/a-comment-thread-worth-sharing-ninging-vis-a-vis-blogging-staff-development-20-approaches/comment-page-1/#comment-576</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly Christopherson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clay,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sorry if I didn&#039;t leave a link. I&#039;m not using my blogger account - have too many! You can get to me at www.kwhobbes.edublogs.org . It&#039;s where I do my pondering!  &lt;br/&gt;Let us know how your presentation goes and what you decide to do. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Kelly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clay,</p>
<p>Sorry if I didn&#8217;t leave a link. I&#8217;m not using my blogger account &#8211; have too many! You can get to me at <a href="http://www.kwhobbes.edublogs.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.kwhobbes.edublogs.org</a> . It&#8217;s where I do my pondering!  <br />Let us know how your presentation goes and what you decide to do. </p>
<p>Kelly</p>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/10/01/a-comment-thread-worth-sharing-ninging-vis-a-vis-blogging-staff-development-20-approaches/comment-page-1/#comment-575</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No no, Graham, you _did_ leave a link, and I found that in my own &quot;blog reactions&quot; page on T&#039;rati! Oh - I get it. You use WordPress, which is much better with trackbacks than Blogger. To find on Blogger, you have to go to the permalink. They&#039;re not visible on the dashboard. So I just RSS to T&#039;rati&#039;s &quot;blog reactions&quot; to my BS :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No no, Graham, you _did_ leave a link, and I found that in my own &#8220;blog reactions&#8221; page on T&#8217;rati! Oh &#8211; I get it. You use WordPress, which is much better with trackbacks than Blogger. To find on Blogger, you have to go to the permalink. They&#8217;re not visible on the dashboard. So I just RSS to T&#8217;rati&#8217;s &#8220;blog reactions&#8221; to my BS <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/10/01/a-comment-thread-worth-sharing-ninging-vis-a-vis-blogging-staff-development-20-approaches/comment-page-1/#comment-574</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clay, I&#039;m sorry that I left you to provide a link to my post response earlier - I honestly thought that the edublogs trackback would have lobbed here, negating you having to find it via Technorati. Glad it was useful and I like your idea of allowing others&#039; feedback via your post to meet the light of day in aggregators worldwide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clay, I&#8217;m sorry that I left you to provide a link to my post response earlier &#8211; I honestly thought that the edublogs trackback would have lobbed here, negating you having to find it via Technorati. Glad it was useful and I like your idea of allowing others&#8217; feedback via your post to meet the light of day in aggregators worldwide.</p>
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