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	<title>Comments on: A Comment Thread Worth Sharing: Ninging vis-a-vis Blogging, Staff Development 2.0 Approaches</title>
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		<title>By: Teaching Generation Z &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Twitter and Blogger&#8217;s Block</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/10/01/a-comment-thread-worth-sharing-ninging-vis-a-vis-blogging-staff-development-20-approaches/#comment-645</link>
		<dc:creator>Teaching Generation Z &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Twitter and Blogger&#8217;s Block</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 20:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sylvia Martinez</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/10/01/a-comment-thread-worth-sharing-ninging-vis-a-vis-blogging-staff-development-20-approaches/#comment-582</link>
		<dc:creator>Sylvia Martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 15:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, I get the difference - but what pedagogical consequences do you mean? (I'm not being snarky here, I really do want to  know what you think.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Do you just mean logistical stuff like the ease of aggregating things? I know you aren't arguing a "purist" point of view that blogs are some higher form of enlightenment... except our blogs, of course ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, I get the difference - but what pedagogical consequences do you mean? (I&#8217;m not being snarky here, I really do want to  know what you think.)</p>
<p>Do you just mean logistical stuff like the ease of aggregating things? I know you aren&#8217;t arguing a &#8220;purist&#8221; point of view that blogs are some higher form of enlightenment&#8230; except our blogs, of course <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/10/01/a-comment-thread-worth-sharing-ninging-vis-a-vis-blogging-staff-development-20-approaches/#comment-579</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 02:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sylvia, your point about the "democratic" quality control of "most comments" (or whatever that preference setting is) is well-taken. So is the rest of your comment :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think I should've been more careful about making the question seem either/or, when obviously "or both" is a good option as well.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Again, though, I'm still concerned about the pedagogical consequences of leading teachers to think that they "get" blogging because they're "ninging." The two just aren't the same. And I fear teachers won't realize that if Ning is presented as blogging.  And the consequences downstream, in the classroom, would be less ideal.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;An open question - thanks for keeping it that way :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sylvia, your point about the &#8220;democratic&#8221; quality control of &#8220;most comments&#8221; (or whatever that preference setting is) is well-taken. So is the rest of your comment <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think I should&#8217;ve been more careful about making the question seem either/or, when obviously &#8220;or both&#8221; is a good option as well.</p>
<p>Again, though, I&#8217;m still concerned about the pedagogical consequences of leading teachers to think that they &#8220;get&#8221; blogging because they&#8217;re &#8220;ninging.&#8221; The two just aren&#8217;t the same. And I fear teachers won&#8217;t realize that if Ning is presented as blogging.  And the consequences downstream, in the classroom, would be less ideal.</p>
<p>An open question - thanks for keeping it that way <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Sylvia Martinez</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/10/01/a-comment-thread-worth-sharing-ninging-vis-a-vis-blogging-staff-development-20-approaches/#comment-577</link>
		<dc:creator>Sylvia Martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 00:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm wondering why people think Ning users are newcomers. Maybe it's just that there are lots of newcomers asking the same questions who never get heard anywhere else. They are just more visible.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I find the Ning threaded discussions very effective, much better than chronological comments on a blog post. And it just seems more democratic. Whatever gets comments rises to the top. With a blog, the blog owner decides when to post something new and the comments sink into oblivion. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I'd also hesitate to split your group into fearless (vs. fearful) based on their choice of blog vs. a Ning group.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I guess I don't see a problem with people getting online where there are other people to interact with. Why make them blog to the empty air just to prove a point.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If they get the urge, they can try something else. They may decide to run their own Ning site, start a wiki, or become a twitter-er. Hopefully, if they've gained something from a Ning group, they won't leave it - they need to be the experts for the next bunch of newcomers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering why people think Ning users are newcomers. Maybe it&#8217;s just that there are lots of newcomers asking the same questions who never get heard anywhere else. They are just more visible.</p>
<p>I find the Ning threaded discussions very effective, much better than chronological comments on a blog post. And it just seems more democratic. Whatever gets comments rises to the top. With a blog, the blog owner decides when to post something new and the comments sink into oblivion. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d also hesitate to split your group into fearless (vs. fearful) based on their choice of blog vs. a Ning group.</p>
<p>I guess I don&#8217;t see a problem with people getting online where there are other people to interact with. Why make them blog to the empty air just to prove a point.</p>
<p>If they get the urge, they can try something else. They may decide to run their own Ning site, start a wiki, or become a twitter-er. Hopefully, if they&#8217;ve gained something from a Ning group, they won&#8217;t leave it - they need to be the experts for the next bunch of newcomers.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Christopherson</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/10/01/a-comment-thread-worth-sharing-ninging-vis-a-vis-blogging-staff-development-20-approaches/#comment-576</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly Christopherson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clay,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sorry if I didn't leave a link. I'm not using my blogger account - have too many! You can get to me at www.kwhobbes.edublogs.org . It's where I do my pondering!  &lt;br/&gt;Let us know how your presentation goes and what you decide to do. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Kelly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clay,</p>
<p>Sorry if I didn&#8217;t leave a link. I&#8217;m not using my blogger account - have too many! You can get to me at <a href="http://www.kwhobbes.edublogs.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.kwhobbes.edublogs.org</a> . It&#8217;s where I do my pondering!  <br />Let us know how your presentation goes and what you decide to do. </p>
<p>Kelly</p>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/10/01/a-comment-thread-worth-sharing-ninging-vis-a-vis-blogging-staff-development-20-approaches/#comment-575</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No no, Graham, you _did_ leave a link, and I found that in my own "blog reactions" page on T'rati! Oh - I get it. You use WordPress, which is much better with trackbacks than Blogger. To find on Blogger, you have to go to the permalink. They're not visible on the dashboard. So I just RSS to T'rati's "blog reactions" to my BS :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No no, Graham, you _did_ leave a link, and I found that in my own &#8220;blog reactions&#8221; page on T&#8217;rati! Oh - I get it. You use WordPress, which is much better with trackbacks than Blogger. To find on Blogger, you have to go to the permalink. They&#8217;re not visible on the dashboard. So I just RSS to T&#8217;rati&#8217;s &#8220;blog reactions&#8221; to my BS <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/10/01/a-comment-thread-worth-sharing-ninging-vis-a-vis-blogging-staff-development-20-approaches/#comment-574</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clay, I'm sorry that I left you to provide a link to my post response earlier - I honestly thought that the edublogs trackback would have lobbed here, negating you having to find it via Technorati. Glad it was useful and I like your idea of allowing others' feedback via your post to meet the light of day in aggregators worldwide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clay, I&#8217;m sorry that I left you to provide a link to my post response earlier - I honestly thought that the edublogs trackback would have lobbed here, negating you having to find it via Technorati. Glad it was useful and I like your idea of allowing others&#8217; feedback via your post to meet the light of day in aggregators worldwide.</p>
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