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	<title>Comments on: Student Council: Creating Tomorrow&#8217;s Followers (or, &#34;Smells Like School Spirit&#34;)</title>
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	<description>. . . and beyond "schooliness" - notes of an uncensored teacher</description>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/09/01/student-council-creating-tomorrows-followers-or-smells-like-school-spirit/#comment-4177</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda: Amen.

I just discovered something fun: this post is the top Google result for the search, "creating a student council." Maybe it will make other student councils less juvenile, and open their eyes to the possibilities for real leadership in the real world that student councils COULD embrace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda: Amen.</p>
<p>I just discovered something fun: this post is the top Google result for the search, &#8220;creating a student council.&#8221; Maybe it will make other student councils less juvenile, and open their eyes to the possibilities for real leadership in the real world that student councils COULD embrace.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda F</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/09/01/student-council-creating-tomorrows-followers-or-smells-like-school-spirit/#comment-3994</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 18:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's the way I thought about student council when I was in school.  The leadership took it so SERIOUSLY (think Tracy Flick), it seemed all out of proportion to the activities.

The teachers running student council seem to have a stick up their behind, even then.  With so many real-life ways for students to gain leadership experience, why does this relict of the past still hold sway in modern high schools?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the way I thought about student council when I was in school.  The leadership took it so SERIOUSLY (think Tracy Flick), it seemed all out of proportion to the activities.</p>
<p>The teachers running student council seem to have a stick up their behind, even then.  With so many real-life ways for students to gain leadership experience, why does this relict of the past still hold sway in modern high schools?</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;What is Schooliness?&#8221; - Overview and Open Thread &#124; Beyond School</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;What is Schooliness?&#8221; - Overview and Open Thread &#124; Beyond School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 07:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] student council meeting times. That sent me into my second rage against the schooly in my post, “Student Council: Creating Tomorrow’s Followers (or, “Smells Like School Spirit”)“: Me: “So what are you guys going to be planning in the Student Council that’s so important [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] student council meeting times. That sent me into my second rage against the schooly in my post, “Student Council: Creating Tomorrow’s Followers (or, “Smells Like School Spirit”)“: Me: “So what are you guys going to be planning in the Student Council that’s so important [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;What is Schooliness?&#8221; - Discursus and Open Thread (Clay Burell guest-post 2) &#187; Moving at the Speed of Creativity</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/09/01/student-council-creating-tomorrows-followers-or-smells-like-school-spirit/#comment-2374</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;What is Schooliness?&#8221; - Discursus and Open Thread (Clay Burell guest-post 2) &#187; Moving at the Speed of Creativity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] council meeting times. That sent me into my second rage against the schooly in my post, &#8220;Student Council: Creating Tomorrow&#8217;s Followers (or, &#8220;Smells Like School Spirit&#8221;)&#8220;: Me: “So what are you guys going to be planning in the Student Council that’s so [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] council meeting times. That sent me into my second rage against the schooly in my post, &#8220;Student Council: Creating Tomorrow&#8217;s Followers (or, &#8220;Smells Like School Spirit&#8221;)&#8220;: Me: “So what are you guys going to be planning in the Student Council that’s so [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Belshaw</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/09/01/student-council-creating-tomorrows-followers-or-smells-like-school-spirit/#comment-488</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Belshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 21:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How bizarre, that picture is from Lincoln Castle where my Year 10s do their GCSE History coursework... :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How bizarre, that picture is from Lincoln Castle where my Year 10s do their GCSE History coursework&#8230; <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/09/01/student-council-creating-tomorrows-followers-or-smells-like-school-spirit/#comment-475</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 09:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I never thought about student council from that perspective. I thought its intention was to have students experience being responsible  for school events SO they can have less trouble when they plan real world events. I didn't know that it could actually refrain us from doing real world work. &lt;br/&gt;Come to think of it, what school usually values is, in fact, trivial in real world. So someone is the head of the basketball team, and the school president. Heck, let's even say that they scored perfect on the SAT. But so did everyone else. I am willing to bet that there are replicas of these "perfect" students in every school. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It is not my point that planning for these school events is entirely meaningless; in some aspects, it does give us the chances to collaborate with other students, and learn to work as a team. However, it shouldn't be &lt;i&gt;too&lt;/i&gt; much of a commitment that we are not able to explore outside of the school. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And I think that's what colleges really want from students. They are looking for possibilities, not "perfect students." &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;-Lynn Hong, your old student</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I never thought about student council from that perspective. I thought its intention was to have students experience being responsible  for school events SO they can have less trouble when they plan real world events. I didn&#8217;t know that it could actually refrain us from doing real world work. <br />Come to think of it, what school usually values is, in fact, trivial in real world. So someone is the head of the basketball team, and the school president. Heck, let&#8217;s even say that they scored perfect on the SAT. But so did everyone else. I am willing to bet that there are replicas of these &#8220;perfect&#8221; students in every school. </p>
<p>It is not my point that planning for these school events is entirely meaningless; in some aspects, it does give us the chances to collaborate with other students, and learn to work as a team. However, it shouldn&#8217;t be <i>too</i> much of a commitment that we are not able to explore outside of the school. </p>
<p>And I think that&#8217;s what colleges really want from students. They are looking for possibilities, not &#8220;perfect students.&#8221; </p>
<p>-Lynn Hong, your old student</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Foote</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/09/01/student-council-creating-tomorrows-followers-or-smells-like-school-spirit/#comment-474</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn Foote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 02:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's hoping that you all find a solution!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s hoping that you all find a solution!</p>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/09/01/student-council-creating-tomorrows-followers-or-smells-like-school-spirit/#comment-473</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Diane and Carolyn (Diane, that quote in your comment is fantastic) - More background: I told him to seek a third way with the StuCo sponsor, giving her full background, etc. He did. She just said "No."  (Later, she told me, "I might let you have him after second semester," and that language rankled to no end. It really is the language of slavery.) &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The problem is, she's a good person, means well, etc.  She just seems completely unaware of the implications of her approach and actions here, and in channeling student leadership generally.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Carolyn, your suggestion that he talk to the principal is a good one. I think I'll talk to the principal as well.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But "school spirit, sequestered style" - meaning one-hour pep events occasionally, or the random hallway decoration campaign, or sports team glorification - is big here. So who knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Diane and Carolyn (Diane, that quote in your comment is fantastic) - More background: I told him to seek a third way with the StuCo sponsor, giving her full background, etc. He did. She just said &#8220;No.&#8221;  (Later, she told me, &#8220;I might let you have him after second semester,&#8221; and that language rankled to no end. It really is the language of slavery.) </p>
<p>The problem is, she&#8217;s a good person, means well, etc.  She just seems completely unaware of the implications of her approach and actions here, and in channeling student leadership generally.  </p>
<p>Carolyn, your suggestion that he talk to the principal is a good one. I think I&#8217;ll talk to the principal as well.</p>
<p>But &#8220;school spirit, sequestered style&#8221; - meaning one-hour pep events occasionally, or the random hallway decoration campaign, or sports team glorification - is big here. So who knows.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Foote</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/09/01/student-council-creating-tomorrows-followers-or-smells-like-school-spirit/#comment-472</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn Foote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder about a middle of the road approach, a third way?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Is there a way for the student to show the Stucco teacher the work he has done on Project Cooling, the website, and emails he's exchanged so he can see it is purpose.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And then work out a compromise?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;To me it is not just about Stuco or the halloween decorations--it's about any sponsor that thinks their event is more significant than any other event, and isn't willing to compromise and share the student with their other interests.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;To me, that is the aspect of "schooliness" more than the significance of the event.  We want to be supportive of the whole child.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I understand there are times students have to make a choice--you can't sing the solo in the concert but not be available for rehearsals, for example.  You have to be able to have your "ensembles" together.  But that doesn't seem the case in this situation.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;He may have to make a choice, and sure, I agree that colleges will look on either activity favorably, and would look on his making a choice favorably.  It shows good habits of mind.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;But I'd also support him making it in a calm and mindful state of mind.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Another choice I can see he has is talking to the principal about it, and saying that he's not sure how it's being handled is fair to students who want to participate in more than one thing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sorry he's in this unfortunate situation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder about a middle of the road approach, a third way?</p>
<p>Is there a way for the student to show the Stucco teacher the work he has done on Project Cooling, the website, and emails he&#8217;s exchanged so he can see it is purpose.</p>
<p>And then work out a compromise?</p>
<p>To me it is not just about Stuco or the halloween decorations&#8211;it&#8217;s about any sponsor that thinks their event is more significant than any other event, and isn&#8217;t willing to compromise and share the student with their other interests.</p>
<p>To me, that is the aspect of &#8220;schooliness&#8221; more than the significance of the event.  We want to be supportive of the whole child.  </p>
<p>I understand there are times students have to make a choice&#8211;you can&#8217;t sing the solo in the concert but not be available for rehearsals, for example.  You have to be able to have your &#8220;ensembles&#8221; together.  But that doesn&#8217;t seem the case in this situation.</p>
<p>He may have to make a choice, and sure, I agree that colleges will look on either activity favorably, and would look on his making a choice favorably.  It shows good habits of mind.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;d also support him making it in a calm and mindful state of mind.</p>
<p>Another choice I can see he has is talking to the principal about it, and saying that he&#8217;s not sure how it&#8217;s being handled is fair to students who want to participate in more than one thing.</p>
<p>Sorry he&#8217;s in this unfortunate situation!</p>
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		<title>By: diane</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/09/01/student-council-creating-tomorrows-followers-or-smells-like-school-spirit/#comment-471</link>
		<dc:creator>diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 22:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! My initial reaction is: tell him to quit Student Council, but...how much "power" does Ms. Stucco have in the school? How will the student's parents react if he decides to resign and focus on Project Global Cooling? How "strong" is the student: will bucking the system cause him undue stress?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Students shouldn't be faced with this type of "choice" - how does your Administration feel about the whole issue?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No easy answer. Sorry.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;"Our children will not survive our habits of thinking, our failures of the spirit, our wreck of the universe into which we bring new life as blithely as we do. Mostly, our children will resemble our own misery and spite and anger, because we give them no choice about it. In the name of motherhood and fatherhood and education and good manners, we threaten and suffocate and bind and ensnare and bribe and trick children into wholesale emulation of our ways."-June Jordan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! My initial reaction is: tell him to quit Student Council, but&#8230;how much &#8220;power&#8221; does Ms. Stucco have in the school? How will the student&#8217;s parents react if he decides to resign and focus on Project Global Cooling? How &#8220;strong&#8221; is the student: will bucking the system cause him undue stress?</p>
<p>Students shouldn&#8217;t be faced with this type of &#8220;choice&#8221; - how does your Administration feel about the whole issue?</p>
<p>No easy answer. Sorry.</p>
<p>&#8220;Our children will not survive our habits of thinking, our failures of the spirit, our wreck of the universe into which we bring new life as blithely as we do. Mostly, our children will resemble our own misery and spite and anger, because we give them no choice about it. In the name of motherhood and fatherhood and education and good manners, we threaten and suffocate and bind and ensnare and bribe and trick children into wholesale emulation of our ways.&#8221;-June Jordan</p>
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