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	<title>Comments on: Teaching Grammar on the Titanic: On Fear and Irrelevance in Education</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Doyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Doyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;To be able, paradoxically, to think critically about safe subjects. And above all, not to think about anything that might, god forbid, rankle the status quo. And let’s not even start to think about taking any sort of action.&quot;

Indeed. I come here (a lot), and I leave here feeling empowered.

I suspect that lack of time (read that as laziness) plays a factor in our teaching. Teaching the way we do is exhausting (at least if you do it right); it may be less so once we actually start allowing our kids to think, but there is a big hump getting them there.

I urge a lot of my bright students just to get through high school. Those determined to fail anyway (because they will not jump through hoops, a quality I find, well, admirable), I make sure their ideas are still welcome,that their voices still matter, and tell that I do not see them as just a grade. Indeed, it is often their voices that make a class work.

I tell them what I believe to be true, that they will be fine after high school, despite the barricades they face because of their reasoned obstinacy. They are told all day long they are failures.

Let&#039;s be clear--I am talking about the bright kids, the ones who know why they are failing, the ones who could do well in Honors. There are more than just a handful buried in our low level courses.

Do I fail them? A few, yep.I figure out ways to sneak those through who show me they grasp the material--no sense having them sit another year doing the same thing--but a passing grade means you have some sense of the natural world.

Sad thing is, the opposite works in a lot of classes--you can know the material through and through, yet fail anyway because &quot;we got to teach them a lesson about how the real world works.&quot;

That &quot;real world&quot; described in school does exist, in corporations. 

I work for the kids, though. I work for the government, a government originally based on our right to pursue happiness.

Equating an F in freshman science with a life of unhappiness makes no sense.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Michael Doyles last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://doyle-scienceteach.blogspot.com/2008/11/proust-effect.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Proust effect&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To be able, paradoxically, to think critically about safe subjects. And above all, not to think about anything that might, god forbid, rankle the status quo. And let’s not even start to think about taking any sort of action.&#8221;</p>
<p>Indeed. I come here (a lot), and I leave here feeling empowered.</p>
<p>I suspect that lack of time (read that as laziness) plays a factor in our teaching. Teaching the way we do is exhausting (at least if you do it right); it may be less so once we actually start allowing our kids to think, but there is a big hump getting them there.</p>
<p>I urge a lot of my bright students just to get through high school. Those determined to fail anyway (because they will not jump through hoops, a quality I find, well, admirable), I make sure their ideas are still welcome,that their voices still matter, and tell that I do not see them as just a grade. Indeed, it is often their voices that make a class work.</p>
<p>I tell them what I believe to be true, that they will be fine after high school, despite the barricades they face because of their reasoned obstinacy. They are told all day long they are failures.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be clear&#8211;I am talking about the bright kids, the ones who know why they are failing, the ones who could do well in Honors. There are more than just a handful buried in our low level courses.</p>
<p>Do I fail them? A few, yep.I figure out ways to sneak those through who show me they grasp the material&#8211;no sense having them sit another year doing the same thing&#8211;but a passing grade means you have some sense of the natural world.</p>
<p>Sad thing is, the opposite works in a lot of classes&#8211;you can know the material through and through, yet fail anyway because &#8220;we got to teach them a lesson about how the real world works.&#8221;</p>
<p>That &#8220;real world&#8221; described in school does exist, in corporations. </p>
<p>I work for the kids, though. I work for the government, a government originally based on our right to pursue happiness.</p>
<p>Equating an F in freshman science with a life of unhappiness makes no sense.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Michael Doyles last blog post..<a href="http://doyle-scienceteach.blogspot.com/2008/11/proust-effect.html" rel="nofollow">Proust effect</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Ditch the digital/native catchcry &#124; thinking 2.0</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ditch the digital/native catchcry &#124; thinking 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 23:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Lifting the fogDoug&#8217;s Ed.D. blog &#187; Information Literacy on Literacy in a digital worldTeaching Grammar on the Titanic: On Fear and Irrelevance in Education &#124; Beyond School on Dissenting VoicesTrina on Change is your friendWhat&#8217;s the key to systemic success? : [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Fear-Based Curriculum: A Language Arts Tragedy (More on Teaching Lolita) &#124; Beyond School</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fear-Based Curriculum: A Language Arts Tragedy (More on Teaching Lolita) &#124; Beyond School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: &#8220;What is Schooliness?&#8221; - Overview and Open Thread &#124; Beyond School</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;What is Schooliness?&#8221; - Overview and Open Thread &#124; Beyond School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is from, “Teaching Grammar on the Titanic: On Fear and Irrelevance in Education“: So: the problem with me, as a teacher, is that I design units that don’t address anything [...]</description>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;What is Schooliness?&#8221; - Discursus and Open Thread (Clay Burell guest-post 2) &#187; Moving at the Speed of Creativity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] if from, &#8220;Teaching Grammar on the Titanic: On Fear and Irrelevance in Education&#8220;: So: the problem with me, as a teacher, is that I design units that don’t address anything [...]</description>
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		<dc:creator>Refining Global Collaboration Projects in Education &#124; Beyond School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 03:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] been thinking about the experience of the first 1001 Tales wiki workshop last year, and writing and podcasting pretty frequently about possible pitfalls and improvements for this year, so I hope [...]</description>
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		<title>By: On Fear and Irrelevance in Education - Revised &#124; Beyond School</title>
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		<dc:creator>On Fear and Irrelevance in Education - Revised &#124; Beyond School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is a re-post from last summer.  I was too young a blogger then to realize summers are not prime time for [...]</description>
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