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	<title>Comments on: I&#8217;m Nobody. Goodbye to All of That.</title>
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	<description>. . . and beyond "schooliness"          -           notes of a 20th c. teaching drop-out</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Are teachers in your building parallel players? &#187; Moving at the Speed of Creativity</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/07/09/im-nobody-goodbye-to-all-of-that/#comment-4255</link>
		<dc:creator>Are teachers in your building parallel players? &#187; Moving at the Speed of Creativity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Thanks to the ever thoughtful and innovative Clay Burell for bringing Suzie&#8217;s article to my attention. [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Brian Lockwood</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/07/09/im-nobody-goodbye-to-all-of-that/#comment-3220</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Lockwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clay, 

It's a great title for your website. I'm on this journey, trying to find a suitable name for a website of my own. I'm finding very hard to do. What process did you use in finding the right title? I guess your answer would be in  "The Art of Bad Titles" but the link isn't working.</description>
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<p>It&#8217;s a great title for your website. I&#8217;m on this journey, trying to find a suitable name for a website of my own. I&#8217;m finding very hard to do. What process did you use in finding the right title? I guess your answer would be in  &#8220;The Art of Bad Titles&#8221; but the link isn&#8217;t working.</p>
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		<title>By: Year&#8217;s-End Retrospective no. 2 - I’m Nobody. Goodbye to All of That. &#124; Beyond School</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/07/09/im-nobody-goodbye-to-all-of-that/#comment-1128</link>
		<dc:creator>Year&#8217;s-End Retrospective no. 2 - I’m Nobody. Goodbye to All of That. &#124; Beyond School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you if you do. Update 13 July 07: Be sure to read the conversation with Doug and others in the [18] comments on the original the post. And the thinking extends in this “Teaching Grammar on the Titanic: on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you if you do. Update 13 July 07: Be sure to read the conversation with Doug and others in the [18] comments on the original the post. And the thinking extends in this “Teaching Grammar on the Titanic: on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: On Fear and Irrelevance in Education - Revised &#124; Beyond School</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/07/09/im-nobody-goodbye-to-all-of-that/#comment-1113</link>
		<dc:creator>On Fear and Irrelevance in Education - Revised &#124; Beyond School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is extends a critique of my own teaching, and typical schooling in general, that starts in &#8220;I&#8217;m Nobody. Goodbye to All of That.&#8221; Makes sense to start there, if you haven&#8217;t read it [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is extends a critique of my own teaching, and typical schooling in general, that starts in &#8220;I&#8217;m Nobody. Goodbye to All of That.&#8221; Makes sense to start there, if you haven&#8217;t read it [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Q</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/07/09/im-nobody-goodbye-to-all-of-that/#comment-303</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a HREF="http://aquiram.wordpress.com/2007/07/10/restricting-not-teaching/" REL="nofollow"&gt;Restricting Not Teaching&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sorry--Forgot to post the link!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a HREF="http://aquiram.wordpress.com/2007/07/10/restricting-not-teaching/" REL="nofollow">Restricting Not Teaching</a></p>
<p>Sorry&#8211;Forgot to post the link!</p>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/07/09/im-nobody-goodbye-to-all-of-that/#comment-295</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 00:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Q, can you give us a link to that post you mentioned about infantilization?  Your profile isn't public, so I can't find your blog through it :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Q, can you give us a link to that post you mentioned about infantilization?  Your profile isn&#8217;t public, so I can&#8217;t find your blog through it <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/07/09/im-nobody-goodbye-to-all-of-that/#comment-294</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to that conversation, Ms. Q, and thanks for extending it.  I'm learning so much, and from posts like yours, feeling a little less Quixotic, from these conversations :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to that conversation, Ms. Q, and thanks for extending it.  I&#8217;m learning so much, and from posts like yours, feeling a little less Quixotic, from these conversations <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Q</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/07/09/im-nobody-goodbye-to-all-of-that/#comment-293</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an intriguing post and interesting conversation after the post--which is what blogging is all about! &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think Doug has a valid point about the political issue, but Clay also has thought of ways around this. I find myself thinking on two different tracks here:&lt;br/&gt;1) I just posted about the idea of adolescence being created by society and now society is suffering the consequences by raising generations of self-absorbed, give me my dues kids. Clay, your ideas about true Web 2.0 learning--giving them the ultimate say in what they will do, discuss, and act upon gives the students ownership and pride in their learning. Really--if I had to write a persuasive 5 paragraph essay or be involved in an online global debate about the issue at hand, I know which one would teach more.&lt;br/&gt;2) Web 2.0 is more than just bells and whistles. But I think this is the issue for most of us teachers who consider themselves to be on the cutting edge, but really not knowing how to cross that edge to the true potential of Web 2.0.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I know what I think learning should be and every day it gets further and further away from the traditional model we seem to be stuck in. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Keep the conversation going!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an intriguing post and interesting conversation after the post&#8211;which is what blogging is all about! </p>
<p>I think Doug has a valid point about the political issue, but Clay also has thought of ways around this. I find myself thinking on two different tracks here:<br />1) I just posted about the idea of adolescence being created by society and now society is suffering the consequences by raising generations of self-absorbed, give me my dues kids. Clay, your ideas about true Web 2.0 learning&#8211;giving them the ultimate say in what they will do, discuss, and act upon gives the students ownership and pride in their learning. Really&#8211;if I had to write a persuasive 5 paragraph essay or be involved in an online global debate about the issue at hand, I know which one would teach more.<br />2) Web 2.0 is more than just bells and whistles. But I think this is the issue for most of us teachers who consider themselves to be on the cutting edge, but really not knowing how to cross that edge to the true potential of Web 2.0.</p>
<p>I know what I think learning should be and every day it gets further and further away from the traditional model we seem to be stuck in. </p>
<p>Keep the conversation going!</p>
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		<title>By: Clay Burell</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/07/09/im-nobody-goodbye-to-all-of-that/#comment-290</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay Burell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 09:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Doug,&lt;br/&gt;Agreed about the dangers of political indoctrination around some subjects.  As for Alaska being politically "too hot" to talk about warming, don't you think that it's possible to at least seek ways to frame the discussion in non-controversial ways?  "Is global warming a problem?", for example.  Let those in all camps have their say.  That's not indoctrination, that's "relevant" inquiry-based learning and debate about more significant things than the tired "school uniforms" junk we often waste our debate club energies on *sigh*.  Let the skeptics &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; the greenies podcast, Skype-debate, and what have you about the issues.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Another angle would be to choose language and terms with the audience in mind.  "Waste" is less a red flag than "warming," and "green economics and entrepreneurship" are valid and less divisive frames as well.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My school is very interested in forging connections between universities - students and professors - for "vertical" learning.  That university near you...I just might ask you for some contact info at some point.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My point about "think globally, act locally" is that it's a pre-web2.0 strategy that can (should, I say) exploit web 2.0's free-and-easy networking to a) act locally, of course, but - and here's the new opportunity - b) simultaneously strategize with fellow travelers globally for a more than local effect.  Does that make sense yet?  It seems so clear to me :)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;All my heroes and heroines were heretics.  I've always said, "If you want to find the true saints, seek out the heretics."  My recent favorite is Valentinus, a "gnostic" put to death by the newly-formed Roman Church for simply believing differently and, in my book, much more spiritually than the orthodox version that won by brute force, and still controls the flock today.  See Elaine Pagels' "Beyond Belief" for some fascinating learning about the Christianity that once was.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Have you ever checked out the etymology of "heresy"?  It simply means "choice."  And to choose pre-supposes critical thought and reflection.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I could go on about the bad rap "rebellion" has, when most of our heroes and benefactors today were considered "rebels" in their day.  Of course, they were rebels &lt;i&gt;with&lt;/i&gt; causes.  Pop culture and irrelevant schooling have tamed that type of rebellion today into silly posing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Anyway.  Thanks as usual, Doug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Doug,<br />Agreed about the dangers of political indoctrination around some subjects.  As for Alaska being politically &#8220;too hot&#8221; to talk about warming, don&#8217;t you think that it&#8217;s possible to at least seek ways to frame the discussion in non-controversial ways?  &#8220;Is global warming a problem?&#8221;, for example.  Let those in all camps have their say.  That&#8217;s not indoctrination, that&#8217;s &#8220;relevant&#8221; inquiry-based learning and debate about more significant things than the tired &#8220;school uniforms&#8221; junk we often waste our debate club energies on *sigh*.  Let the skeptics <i>and</i> the greenies podcast, Skype-debate, and what have you about the issues.</p>
<p>Another angle would be to choose language and terms with the audience in mind.  &#8220;Waste&#8221; is less a red flag than &#8220;warming,&#8221; and &#8220;green economics and entrepreneurship&#8221; are valid and less divisive frames as well.</p>
<p>My school is very interested in forging connections between universities - students and professors - for &#8220;vertical&#8221; learning.  That university near you&#8230;I just might ask you for some contact info at some point.</p>
<p>My point about &#8220;think globally, act locally&#8221; is that it&#8217;s a pre-web2.0 strategy that can (should, I say) exploit web 2.0&#8217;s free-and-easy networking to a) act locally, of course, but - and here&#8217;s the new opportunity - b) simultaneously strategize with fellow travelers globally for a more than local effect.  Does that make sense yet?  It seems so clear to me <img src='http://beyond-school.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>All my heroes and heroines were heretics.  I&#8217;ve always said, &#8220;If you want to find the true saints, seek out the heretics.&#8221;  My recent favorite is Valentinus, a &#8220;gnostic&#8221; put to death by the newly-formed Roman Church for simply believing differently and, in my book, much more spiritually than the orthodox version that won by brute force, and still controls the flock today.  See Elaine Pagels&#8217; &#8220;Beyond Belief&#8221; for some fascinating learning about the Christianity that once was.</p>
<p>Have you ever checked out the etymology of &#8220;heresy&#8221;?  It simply means &#8220;choice.&#8221;  And to choose pre-supposes critical thought and reflection.  </p>
<p>I could go on about the bad rap &#8220;rebellion&#8221; has, when most of our heroes and benefactors today were considered &#8220;rebels&#8221; in their day.  Of course, they were rebels <i>with</i> causes.  Pop culture and irrelevant schooling have tamed that type of rebellion today into silly posing.</p>
<p>Anyway.  Thanks as usual, Doug.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Noon</title>
		<link>http://beyond-school.org/2007/07/09/im-nobody-goodbye-to-all-of-that/#comment-289</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Noon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that I've got all that out of the way, I want to ask you to please explain what's wrong with the "think globally, act locally" ethos. I don't understand how we can act any way &lt;em&gt;but&lt;/em&gt; locally. I think the idea of an individual being able to "act globally" is nonsensical. Maybe I'm missing some key point, which would account for my heretical thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that I&#8217;ve got all that out of the way, I want to ask you to please explain what&#8217;s wrong with the &#8220;think globally, act locally&#8221; ethos. I don&#8217;t understand how we can act any way <em>but</em> locally. I think the idea of an individual being able to &#8220;act globally&#8221; is nonsensical. Maybe I&#8217;m missing some key point, which would account for my heretical thinking.</p>
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