Comments on: More on the Abuse of Student Blogs for Potential Young Writers http://beyond-school.org/2007/03/13/more-on-the-abuse-of-student-blogs-for-potential-young-writers/ More education. Less schooliness. Tue, 06 Jan 2009 09:03:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: “What is Schooliness?” - Overview and Open Thread | Beyond School http://beyond-school.org/2007/03/13/more-on-the-abuse-of-student-blogs-for-potential-young-writers/comment-page-1/#comment-2407 “What is Schooliness?” - Overview and Open Thread | Beyond School Mon, 03 Mar 2008 21:51:05 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=169#comment-2407 [...] first used the word “schooliness” in March 2007 - my third month of blogging - in one of a series of posts on “how to save blogging from teachers.” (I still worry about that danger, and still [...] [...] first used the word “schooliness” in March 2007 - my third month of blogging - in one of a series of posts on “how to save blogging from teachers.” (I still worry about that danger, and still [...]

]]> By: “What is Schooliness?” - Discursus and Open Thread (Clay Burell guest-post 2) » Moving at the Speed of Creativity http://beyond-school.org/2007/03/13/more-on-the-abuse-of-student-blogs-for-potential-young-writers/comment-page-1/#comment-2372 “What is Schooliness?” - Discursus and Open Thread (Clay Burell guest-post 2) » Moving at the Speed of Creativity Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:43:48 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=169#comment-2372 [...] first used the word “schooliness” in March 2007 - my third month of blogging - in one of a series of posts on “how to save blogging from teachers.” (I still worry about that danger, and [...] [...] first used the word “schooliness” in March 2007 - my third month of blogging - in one of a series of posts on “how to save blogging from teachers.” (I still worry about that danger, and [...]

]]> By: Eric Hoefler http://beyond-school.org/2007/03/13/more-on-the-abuse-of-student-blogs-for-potential-young-writers/comment-page-1/#comment-163 Eric Hoefler Sun, 18 Mar 2007 23:00:00 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=169#comment-163 I'd be happy to do some talking, but we'd probably have to set a date/time. Maybe you could arrange a time and post it on your blog?<br/><br/>However, I know that I need to do more research and thinking about this before I feel I'll have any real suggestions to offer ... but I'm always happy to listen.<br/><br/>Skype ID: sicheiiyazhi I’d be happy to do some talking, but we’d probably have to set a date/time. Maybe you could arrange a time and post it on your blog?

However, I know that I need to do more research and thinking about this before I feel I’ll have any real suggestions to offer … but I’m always happy to listen.

Skype ID: sicheiiyazhi

]]> By: Barbara http://beyond-school.org/2007/03/13/more-on-the-abuse-of-student-blogs-for-potential-young-writers/comment-page-1/#comment-147 Barbara Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:15:00 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=169#comment-147 Hi Clay<br/>I think I am beginning to get it. Thanks for continuing the conversation. Although I do still hold by the concepts I put on my blog I am beginning to see how the two can coexist.<br/><br/>As for the credit issue part of the answer may lay in our ability to deal with differentiated learning. If we can accept that not all students must do the same assignments then the student who chooses to pursue an interest and blogs about a particular field could receive credit without adding it on top of ..but making it instead of...<br/><br/>Just a thought. I really do appreciate your thinking here. Do you see any difference between how this applies at HS versus Middle or Jt high?<br/><br/>My skype is barbara.barreda Hi Clay
I think I am beginning to get it. Thanks for continuing the conversation. Although I do still hold by the concepts I put on my blog I am beginning to see how the two can coexist.

As for the credit issue part of the answer may lay in our ability to deal with differentiated learning. If we can accept that not all students must do the same assignments then the student who chooses to pursue an interest and blogs about a particular field could receive credit without adding it on top of ..but making it instead of…

Just a thought. I really do appreciate your thinking here. Do you see any difference between how this applies at HS versus Middle or Jt high?

My skype is barbara.barreda

]]> By: Patrick Higgins http://beyond-school.org/2007/03/13/more-on-the-abuse-of-student-blogs-for-potential-young-writers/comment-page-1/#comment-146 Patrick Higgins Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:27:00 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=169#comment-146 I would definitely be a part of that. pjhiggins1 on skype. I would definitely be a part of that. pjhiggins1 on skype.

]]> By: Clay Burell http://beyond-school.org/2007/03/13/more-on-the-abuse-of-student-blogs-for-potential-young-writers/comment-page-1/#comment-145 Clay Burell Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:23:00 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=169#comment-145 Patrick, thanks for the heads-up on your own posts in Chalkdust (great title!). Toffler quote is great. But I'd like Warlick to give us examples of where these student blogs are meeting such success, as I'm skeptical that it's the norm. If he's seeing them, he should link to them so we can look and learn. Does he do that?<br/><br/>It brings to mind a plug for ePals by some non-teaching edtech blogger (don't remember who). I followed and signed up, and found it very aversive in practice. It's made me more skeptical in general of edubloggers who aren't actually doing this stuff in classrooms.<br/><br/>Eric, your questions are right on. And your possible answers are the right directions to pursue, seems to me.<br/><br/>The can of worms has many chambers, doesn't it? But they're so worth opening.<br/><br/>I'd love to Skypecast with you guys about these questions. Anybody up for a phone call?<br/><br/>Clay Patrick, thanks for the heads-up on your own posts in Chalkdust (great title!). Toffler quote is great. But I’d like Warlick to give us examples of where these student blogs are meeting such success, as I’m skeptical that it’s the norm. If he’s seeing them, he should link to them so we can look and learn. Does he do that?

It brings to mind a plug for ePals by some non-teaching edtech blogger (don’t remember who). I followed and signed up, and found it very aversive in practice. It’s made me more skeptical in general of edubloggers who aren’t actually doing this stuff in classrooms.

Eric, your questions are right on. And your possible answers are the right directions to pursue, seems to me.

The can of worms has many chambers, doesn’t it? But they’re so worth opening.

I’d love to Skypecast with you guys about these questions. Anybody up for a phone call?

Clay

]]> By: Eric Hoefler http://beyond-school.org/2007/03/13/more-on-the-abuse-of-student-blogs-for-potential-young-writers/comment-page-1/#comment-144 Eric Hoefler Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:56:00 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=169#comment-144 The distinction you make between class and individual blogs is exactly right, I think. My current question deals with how students "get credit" for this work. (And I say get credit, rather than use the term "assessment," because a personal blog should be a place to inspire growth and exploration, not perpetuate the fear of "making a mistake.")<br/><br/>If the student's individual blog is going to carry real weight in the school, I think there needs to be a school-wide decision (or a teacher-team decision at minimum) about this question. I think we can look to older models of portfolio assessment as a place to start.<br/><br/>For example, what about the student (who I happen to actually teach) who does truly love to write about physics and calculus? Easy enough for me to give her credit for her "writing," and to address specific stylistic choices, but how about her math teacher or science teacher? How about her history teacher? Does she only "get credit" for the writings that relate to a particular discipline? And what of podcats, images, videos ... ?<br/><br/>Or do we need to devise a new kind of assessment model that takes into account this new, collective, synthesizing, collaborative approach to learning (and again, perhaps steal from portfolio models)?<br/><br/>Great post ... thanks for the thoughts. The distinction you make between class and individual blogs is exactly right, I think. My current question deals with how students “get credit” for this work. (And I say get credit, rather than use the term “assessment,” because a personal blog should be a place to inspire growth and exploration, not perpetuate the fear of “making a mistake.”)

If the student’s individual blog is going to carry real weight in the school, I think there needs to be a school-wide decision (or a teacher-team decision at minimum) about this question. I think we can look to older models of portfolio assessment as a place to start.

For example, what about the student (who I happen to actually teach) who does truly love to write about physics and calculus? Easy enough for me to give her credit for her “writing,” and to address specific stylistic choices, but how about her math teacher or science teacher? How about her history teacher? Does she only “get credit” for the writings that relate to a particular discipline? And what of podcats, images, videos … ?

Or do we need to devise a new kind of assessment model that takes into account this new, collective, synthesizing, collaborative approach to learning (and again, perhaps steal from portfolio models)?

Great post … thanks for the thoughts.

]]> By: Patrick Higgins http://beyond-school.org/2007/03/13/more-on-the-abuse-of-student-blogs-for-potential-young-writers/comment-page-1/#comment-143 Patrick Higgins Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:20:00 +0000 http://beyond-school.org/?p=169#comment-143 I am hatching out my own idea in regards to this currently. The two blog types is perfect. One for class based requirements, and another for self-directed learning that is completely reflective and intrinsic. We have several programs in my building that would benefit from this model. <br/><br/>Thanks. This string of posts has gotten me moving in a great direction in my own thinking about student blogging. I am hatching out my own idea in regards to this currently. The two blog types is perfect. One for class based requirements, and another for self-directed learning that is completely reflective and intrinsic. We have several programs in my building that would benefit from this model.

Thanks. This string of posts has gotten me moving in a great direction in my own thinking about student blogging.

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